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    1. HahaItsaGiraffeAgain on

      A hopefully finalized version of a project I’ve been working on for some time. Many thanks to everyone who commented on earlier versions and offered their linguistic and historical insight.

      Mobile link: [https://i.imgur.com/bvewUyy.png](https://i.imgur.com/bvewUyy.png)

    2. js_kt on

      Even looks not like a complete bullshit, but I still would have appreciated some sources

    3. Less_Negotiation_842 on

      I’m surprised by the Gaelic up in Scotland would’ve thought it’d have receeded further by then. Maybe smth wonky with how they recorded that?

    5. Madman_Sean on

      Eastern-Herzegovian separate from Serbian? Eastern-Herzegovian literally is literal Serbian

      Also what is classified as Serbian is actually multiple dialects if you already separated shtokavian dialects

    8. WesMasFTP on

      This looks generally accurate. It seems like the German dialects fall in line with my experience. The only thing is like are you considering bavarians the same as what is spoken in Austria? They’re close but it may be worth delineating.

    9. NiveaSkinCream on

      Why is there french in what i assume to be vienna? And why the palatine specks?

    14. caiaphas8 on

      The border you have for Northumbria and Yorkshire is the border that was invented in 1974, it would not be a linguistic divide in 1815

    15. furac_1 on

      The Eo-Navia in Asturias traditionally speaks Galician, here is marked as „Leonese“, which you should also rename to Western Asturleonese, and Asturian as Central-Eastern Asturleonese, because it doesnt make much sense, also for Cantabrian a more accurate name for the period would be „Montañese“, as the name Cantabria is from the 1970s.

    17. BarelyHolding0n on

      There are a lot more dialects of Irish than that… About 20 odd.

      Even if they’re grouped together, though there are three recognised regional dialects, most Irish speakers would count Donegal as being very separate to Ulster Irish, and the Irish in west cork and Kerry as distinct from general munster Irish.

      It’s part of the difficulty in learning it, I was taught Munster Irish in school and my children went to school in Connacht and I struggled to help them with their primary school homework as the way I speak Irish is so vastly different to the way their teachers did… And they’ve had teachers with at least 4 different dialects over the years

    20. Vivid_Ice_2755 on

      That’s quite interesting 

      Or as they say in Ulster Scots

      That’s quite interesting 

    22. Stari_vujadin on

      Area you’ve shown as „Serbian“ is made up from two separate dialects, Kosovo-Resava and Šumadija-Vojvodina. This map implies only these two dialects as Serbian, while E. Herzogovinian, Zeta-Raška (it’s a mistake to label it as „montenegrin“ if that’s what’s written because I can’t read it) and Prizren-Timok are not.

    24. Embarrassed_Refuse49 on

      But to be serious, this map shows Belarusian language at that time much more united that it actually was. AFAIK the were at least 2 dialects – north-eastern and south-western

    25. Real-Pomegranate-235 on

      It’s a shame how much less the Celtic languages are spoken these days

    26. thebigchil73 on

      No shade, it’s great, but just wondering what you mean by Anglo-Cornish. Dorothy Pentreath, the last native speaker of Brythonic Cornish, died in 1777 in her mid 80s. Is there any evidence of a continuity hybrid language lasting into the 19thC?

    27. SoSmartKappa on

      I have seen this map years ago, and i will point out again that the colours are not consistent, and it can be quite missleading.

      You have many dialects of the same language shaded differently, often even in completely different colour. And then you have something like Polish, Bohemian and Danish practically in the same colour. Someone who know nothing about Europe, will get the impression that those countries around Germany speak in the same language.

      Of course, i know that there are not unlimited numbers of colours, and the creator had to make some compromises, but like this it is indeed questionable colour palete to say the least

    28. Winndypops on

      North East Scotland not just being included into ‚Gaelic‘ very based map, nice.

    29. GalacticSettler on

      „Lower Silesian“ is a name of near extinct Polish dialect, it survived to this day only on a very small territory near the city of Syców. Still, it was still spoken on wider area than in the map in 1815. About a third of lower Silesia still spoke it.

      Germanic dialect from Silesia is called German Silesian or Schläsisch.

      Kashubian was also spoken on much wider area, especially along the coast.

    31. Different_Ad7655 on

      North Bavarian?? Moravian?? I think the map is a little bogus, no a lot bogus

    33. armzngunz on

      There should be more sámi language on the coast of the north. Like, many areas in the northern porasngerfjord was sámi-speaking. Same in nearby fjords.

    37. Whiteshadows86 on

      Midland English – there’s a lot more “spoken varieties” in the middle of England. For example brummies in Birmingham sound a lot different to someone from Lincolnshire or Derbyshire!

    38. omystery on

      English spoken in the midlands is not uniform, the West Midlands and East Midlands have very different dialects as they fell on different sides of the Dane law

    40. Acrobatic-Ad-9189 on

      This is so cool and explains so much of the history and identity of each region and now Nation state

    41. Mexishould on

      It would look better if northern, central, and southern Italian blended together gradually. Since I imagine it was more like a continuum with neighboring regions understanding eachother. Tuscan wasn’t such a hard border for example.

    43. HistoricalLinguistic on

      Really beautiful! That so many of these were wiped out or nearly so by nationalism is really heartbreaking

    44. MdMV_or_Emdy_idk on

      Language borders are alright! Dialectal borders are awful. My speciality area is Iberia, and it’s just… awful dialect wise

    46. Constant-Estate3065 on

      Bit of a misconception that Hampshire has a standard southern accent, it’s actually much closer to West Country. Kent is closer to standard southern English.

    47. Makewayfornoddynoddy on

      I think its strange not to include city dialects such as Scouse (liverpool), Geordie (Newcastle) or Janner (plymouth) as they are very distinct from the surrounding area

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