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      On *The Wall Street Journal*’s *Free Expression* podcast, host Gerry Baker speaks with former US ambassador to Russia and current Senior Fellow [Michael McFaul](https://www.hoover.org/profiles/michael-mcfaul) about how the US will handle Russia as well as China this century. McFaul expands on insights from his new book*,* [*Autocrats vs. Democrats: China, Russia, America, and the New Global Disorder*](https://www.hoover.org/research/autocrats-vs-democrats-china-russia-america-and-new-global-disorder)*.* Baker asks McFaul how the US can effectively compete against autocratic rivals and about the Trump administration’s current foreign policy. They also discuss why in McFaul’s view Russia is a bigger threat than China to the United States and how China wants to wield its influence through the world economy, unlike Vladimir Putin’s campaign of disruption.

      Please note a full text transcript of this conversation is available at the link above.

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