Every tech worker rushing to China for 996 guaranteed
Southern-Host-3042 on
Won’t work. Chinese citizens are xenophobic and have already been claiming the Government is trying to replace them with foreigners. I can’t imagine the Citizens will treat these visa holders well.
gym_fun on
America’s success in research, tech and innovation comes from both Americans and immigrants. 2/3 of workers in Silicon Valley are foreign born. The majority of post doctoral researchers are also foreign born. This combo has won even without a mandatory toxic and brutal work culture like 996 for everyone.
Now, let’s see China’s 996 + their H1B version, vs Americans + H1B hate. Clearly the Trump administration has done way more than just addressing visa abuse. Canada also has taken advantage of America’s crackdown on skilled immigration.
Glad_Diamond_2103 on
Who would go to China? They aren’t as free as America.
Edit: I know things are bad in America, but China is like….
frazbox on
I like how a lot of westerners think having freedom in the west is inherently a good thing. Sometimes having to adhere to rules we don’t like is good for the country but not ourselves
AngrySociety on
This is China stealing silicone valley
GooseQuothMan on
Lol, and how is China expecting to attract talent with their shit pay, long hours, and very competitive job market?
assets_coldbrew1992 on
To copy and steal from them?
DisastrousAnswer9920 on
Just to keep in perspective, generally East Asia is very unwelcoming to foreigners. China in particular is pretty bad. There are counties in the US that have more foreigners than in the entire country of China. Japan, Taiwan, SKorea, etc are not that different either. Foreigners make up a very small percentage of China’s total population, at about 0.06% in 2020.
As of the 2020 Chinese census, there were 845,697 foreigners living in mainland China, with the number of resident permits issued in 2023 recovering to 85% of 2019 levels. While this number is low relative to China’s total population, recent data suggests a rebound in expat numbers, although a full return to pre-pandemic levels has not yet occurred.
* **2020 Census**: The most comprehensive official count found 845,697 foreigners living in mainland China.
* **2023 Permits**: In 2023, China issued 711,000 resident permits to foreigners, which is approximately 85% of the number issued in 2019, indicating a partial recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic.
imhereforthemeta on
That sounds great. We need more countries to be willing to allow people from developing nations to immigrate. Opening up China will hopefully take pressure off the US and Europe
ChangingShips on
What’s unemployment like in China?
mvw2 on
The funny/sad part is this can be a pretty good opportunity for US engineers if the pay is competitive to attract in the first place. With competitive wages and low COL in China, you’ll have a pretty significant fiscal advantage. Plus you’re a bit of a status object for a company. Depending on how they want to implement, there may even be perks for early adopters. If they’re smart enough, they might make it so advantageous that they literally don’t even need to steal IP anymore. People will just freely come over. And because they’re pretty much societally 30 years behind, you will feel and live rich for a career segment that’s long been diluted and under paid in the US. There is a VERY real risk to the US skill set. This isn’t specific to engineers but all skilled trades, all science and R&D, especially anyone who relies of government grants for operation. It’s just the reality that this runs deeper. If played right, this can be exceptionally dangerous for the US.
zaevilbunny38 on
If china and Canada want all of our H-1b they can have them. There is a reason why Palantir is hiring high school students.
The-Copilot on
Isn’t all of business in china pretty much done in Mandarin?
English is mostly learned as a second language while mandarin is learned mostly as a primary language.
90-95% of mandarin speakers live in China. This doesn’t include taiwan, Singapore and other nearby nations.
This is the exact opposite of English which has 2/3 of the speakers being from non English speaking nations.
This is one of the major factors which allows the US to pull talent from around the world. English is by far the most commonly learned second+ language and is effectively the international language of business and is used internationally for other uses like aviation and science.
Mandarin may be on the rise but it will take a very long time for a shift to occur, if it occurs at all.
technicallynotlying on
Yes, they’re xenophobic, but I don’t think they’re going after white people
They’re going after overseas Chinese / other East Asians that are educated in the west. I think it’s an attempt to get Asian expats who are well educated to return to China.
For example they want Asian Americans who go to Harvard or Yale to consider Shanghai instead of New York.
Milesware on
brother if you think the US is xenophobic, you’ve seen nothing lmao
chrichro on
For a moment I confused H-1B with a new strain of virus 🙈
SnooRegrets6428 on
Wasn’t there a pushback by locals
Phasnyc on
What’s the pay like in China?
ExpressThisBubbles on
Well if China is anything like Air China, I think people will stick to China Airlines if you catch my drift 😉 .
scottiedagolfmachine on
Lmao yea let me go to Chine and work there… cause why?
🤣
Historical_Pizza3000 on
Avoid working in China at all cost. At any given time they will invent something and will accuse you for spying. This is what happened to two Canadians namely Michael Korvig and Michael Spavor.
Anstark0 on
I don’t see why you would try to compete with Chinese in China, like it’s really not a fair matchup plus I am not sure what kind of social benefits you can expect, pretty sure not great
SandwichPunk on
China is very xenophobic. I’ve lived there for a couple of years and had a lot of experience.
epsteinpetmidgit on
Aren’t mainland Chinese people very xenophobic?
Mingyao_13 on
What is going on in this comment thread ? A bunch of western kids claiming they know China lol
D3struct_oh on
If I were 26, single, well into may career….and knew Chinese…maybe. But probably not.
Don’t want to get kidnapped and shipped to Russia or both Korea or something.
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China playing chess, the felon playing checkers.
good job MAGA.
Every tech worker rushing to China for 996 guaranteed
Won’t work. Chinese citizens are xenophobic and have already been claiming the Government is trying to replace them with foreigners. I can’t imagine the Citizens will treat these visa holders well.
America’s success in research, tech and innovation comes from both Americans and immigrants. 2/3 of workers in Silicon Valley are foreign born. The majority of post doctoral researchers are also foreign born. This combo has won even without a mandatory toxic and brutal work culture like 996 for everyone.
Now, let’s see China’s 996 + their H1B version, vs Americans + H1B hate. Clearly the Trump administration has done way more than just addressing visa abuse. Canada also has taken advantage of America’s crackdown on skilled immigration.
Who would go to China? They aren’t as free as America.
Edit: I know things are bad in America, but China is like….
I like how a lot of westerners think having freedom in the west is inherently a good thing. Sometimes having to adhere to rules we don’t like is good for the country but not ourselves
This is China stealing silicone valley
Lol, and how is China expecting to attract talent with their shit pay, long hours, and very competitive job market?
To copy and steal from them?
Just to keep in perspective, generally East Asia is very unwelcoming to foreigners. China in particular is pretty bad. There are counties in the US that have more foreigners than in the entire country of China. Japan, Taiwan, SKorea, etc are not that different either. Foreigners make up a very small percentage of China’s total population, at about 0.06% in 2020.
As of the 2020 Chinese census, there were 845,697 foreigners living in mainland China, with the number of resident permits issued in 2023 recovering to 85% of 2019 levels. While this number is low relative to China’s total population, recent data suggests a rebound in expat numbers, although a full return to pre-pandemic levels has not yet occurred.
* **2020 Census**: The most comprehensive official count found 845,697 foreigners living in mainland China.
* **2023 Permits**: In 2023, China issued 711,000 resident permits to foreigners, which is approximately 85% of the number issued in 2019, indicating a partial recovery from the COVID-19 pandemic.
That sounds great. We need more countries to be willing to allow people from developing nations to immigrate. Opening up China will hopefully take pressure off the US and Europe
What’s unemployment like in China?
The funny/sad part is this can be a pretty good opportunity for US engineers if the pay is competitive to attract in the first place. With competitive wages and low COL in China, you’ll have a pretty significant fiscal advantage. Plus you’re a bit of a status object for a company. Depending on how they want to implement, there may even be perks for early adopters. If they’re smart enough, they might make it so advantageous that they literally don’t even need to steal IP anymore. People will just freely come over. And because they’re pretty much societally 30 years behind, you will feel and live rich for a career segment that’s long been diluted and under paid in the US. There is a VERY real risk to the US skill set. This isn’t specific to engineers but all skilled trades, all science and R&D, especially anyone who relies of government grants for operation. It’s just the reality that this runs deeper. If played right, this can be exceptionally dangerous for the US.
If china and Canada want all of our H-1b they can have them. There is a reason why Palantir is hiring high school students.
Isn’t all of business in china pretty much done in Mandarin?
English is mostly learned as a second language while mandarin is learned mostly as a primary language.
90-95% of mandarin speakers live in China. This doesn’t include taiwan, Singapore and other nearby nations.
This is the exact opposite of English which has 2/3 of the speakers being from non English speaking nations.
This is one of the major factors which allows the US to pull talent from around the world. English is by far the most commonly learned second+ language and is effectively the international language of business and is used internationally for other uses like aviation and science.
Mandarin may be on the rise but it will take a very long time for a shift to occur, if it occurs at all.
Yes, they’re xenophobic, but I don’t think they’re going after white people
They’re going after overseas Chinese / other East Asians that are educated in the west. I think it’s an attempt to get Asian expats who are well educated to return to China.
For example they want Asian Americans who go to Harvard or Yale to consider Shanghai instead of New York.
brother if you think the US is xenophobic, you’ve seen nothing lmao
For a moment I confused H-1B with a new strain of virus 🙈
Wasn’t there a pushback by locals
What’s the pay like in China?
Well if China is anything like Air China, I think people will stick to China Airlines if you catch my drift 😉 .
Lmao yea let me go to Chine and work there… cause why?
🤣
Avoid working in China at all cost. At any given time they will invent something and will accuse you for spying. This is what happened to two Canadians namely Michael Korvig and Michael Spavor.
I don’t see why you would try to compete with Chinese in China, like it’s really not a fair matchup plus I am not sure what kind of social benefits you can expect, pretty sure not great
China is very xenophobic. I’ve lived there for a couple of years and had a lot of experience.
Aren’t mainland Chinese people very xenophobic?
What is going on in this comment thread ? A bunch of western kids claiming they know China lol
If I were 26, single, well into may career….and knew Chinese…maybe. But probably not.
Don’t want to get kidnapped and shipped to Russia or both Korea or something.