We are 400 less controllers today than we were in the 2019 shutdown. And now they’ve been stretched so thin for so long, with so much going on, so much pressure on their backs, that they’re actually resigning from the profession. -Nick Daniels, president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association
Naetalis on
Shouldn’t that make a strike mean even more this time or am I missing something? If they wanna fuck around with air travel I say the ATC gives em what they want and all walk off the job. We’ll see how fast the R’s wanna negotiate then.
Angedelanuit97 on
And the republicans could end this today if they wanted to. But they don’t
ChiefFun on
Great job republicans! Continue to fuck over every American.
triplab on
Sitting in Vegas at the airport right now, dreading the day, next to some dude on the phone who said to whomever he was talking, “I wish them Democrats would just pay our workers.”
Anxious-Answer5367 on
I wasn’t planning to fly to the US anytime soon. But this clinches it. So many dangers entering the USA under this administration. It’s very sad to witness.
fga2025 on
I am very worried that (1) there will be a major airline disaster resulting from this chaos, and (2) the media will manufacture consent (i.e. entirely the wrong lesson) that both sides are equally to blame and should have just worked together… when in fact the GOP is purely nihilistic and has an explicit agenda to tear down our entire federal government (aside from the police state dimension).
Its-A-Spider on
As always, it is worth noting that:
* Of the 128 days the US government has ever been shutdown, 75 days (and counting) were under Trump (or 58%)
* Of the $24,4 billion worth of cost from all these shutdowns in the US history, $21,7 billion was under Trump (or 89%), $16,7 billion just from this latest (and ongoing) shutdown
* Of the 4 shutdown where the presidency, senate, and house were under control of a single party, 3 shutdowns were under Trump. The other shutdown was under Jimmy Carter, but only affected the FTC (and lasted a single day). If you wanna get technical, control of the house flipped during Trump’s 2nd shutdown.
* Of the 11 shutdowns in US history, 3 were under Trump. 7 were under Republican presidents.
stoic_spaghetti on
I feel like peoples insticitivr reaction is „I don’t fly anyway, this doesn’t affect me“
Dawg when planes are falling out of the sky into residential areas remember everyone is at risk
CelticSith on
Bend over and grab your ankles holiday travelers
aquatrez on
Don’t worry everyone, when the airline industry collapses, our federal government will be there to bail out and save all the airline corporations! Nothing to worry about!
subcrtical on
It blows my mind that we aren’t paying like $500k+ a year for these roles. They are such a critical part of our infrastructure, basic staffing issues should never be a factor like this. Just insane.
Guy-Manuel on
ATC has to go on strike, illegal or not
Guiac on
Start with a mass sick out over Thanksgiving to really get the pressure on
Always_Delulu on
You all ready for an entirely predictable avoidable tragedy to occur? I know I’m not.
tropicsun on
What happened to the software update Elon was taking over…?
cyberattaq123 on
It’s becoming more and more apparent that (unrelated to the insane shit ice is doing), that it’s more than likely the case there is going to need to be a horrific catastrophe that claims the lives of possibly hundreds before the republicans are forced or feel even moderately forced to do anything, and likely due to the backlash generated by the deaths of innocent people directly, unambiguously connected to the shutdown and their absolute inability and unwillingness to govern and let the country function normally.
They just don’t care. They want the chaos, and the pain. It will probably take ATCs going on mass strike and completely tanking the airline industry before the idiots and evil bastards in DC do anything.
chasingjulian on
Why are air traffic controllers not considered absolutely critical employees and get paid no matter what happens? Also, aren’t the funds that pay air traffic controllers come from airline/airport fees and not the taxpayer?
FunctionBuilt on
We’ve finally made it to the point where effects are being felt by more people because essential workers are as saying fuck it. In the past we never get to this point.
thebroward on
is the life of an ATC like this glorious scene in *Pushing Tin*, starring John Cusack?
Soon, the administration will announce the plan for the new ATC by SpaceX.
No more pesky union. It’ll be cheaper and more efficient. And way worse.
RecipeFunny2154 on
One thing with the resignations — In addition to everything else, *anyone* in federal government employment is going on around 10 months of this administration holding their jobs over their heads and constantly insulting them and their career. ATC employees have felt that all of this time and now they’re not getting paid while being told to come anyway. It’s exhausting and this admin is essentially gutting the next generation of most of these orgs and agencies.
poopdedoop10 on
This is what happens when you vote republican or when republicans are in charge
applewait on
Just wait until Thanksgiving… busiest travel day of the year is just three weeks away.
This can’t go three more weeks, right?
Shambly on
Having a law that says that ATC are required to work without pay (aka slavery) instead of the government having to pay workers even if they don’t agree on the budget is basically what is wrong with America.
Mephisto506 on
This is the “tearing system
Down” stage that people wanted. I’m just not sure they realised how much pain was involved, how long it will take, and I’m not sure why they thought a better system would arise from the ashes.
FlopShanoobie on
Imagine having a job that literally makes you responsible for the lives of thousands of people every single day, and now you’re working more hours than before AND you’re not getting paid, so you’re at risk of losing your home, you don’t have food, you can’t even pay to put gas in your car to get to work, but you know if you quit and get a different job then people might likely die.
Will_Be_Banned_ on
Enjoy y’alls flights… I wouldn’t get on a plane right now!
We have hundred of millions of dollars for ICE agents but zero for air traffic controllers???
Boundish91 on
I’m beginning to fear that it’s going to take a horrible accident before the Trump administration does anything.
Gabribennet on
ATC needs to refuse to do the job unpaid. Bring air travel to a halt in US. The government would be open in a day. Billionaires can’t be inconvenienced.
KNGCasimirIII on
You don’t understand if we reopen the government they’ll have to release the Epstein files and what’s more important Americans or really rich Americans
NoFap_FV on
Of course it’s different, it is called The Epstein Shutdown!
bananaworks on
is this affecting private jets equally?
McJagr on
As the safety issue is related to how many aircraft are currently in the air, all non-cargo aircraft with less than 100 passengers should not be allowed to take off. Ground the PJs in favor of high-capacity aircraft since an air traffic controller sees them both the same on radar.
malarkial on
Shut down the airports
tmhoc on
I don’t know how any dire warning could speak louder than the massive Fireball that UPS plane crash made
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We are 400 less controllers today than we were in the 2019 shutdown. And now they’ve been stretched so thin for so long, with so much going on, so much pressure on their backs, that they’re actually resigning from the profession. -Nick Daniels, president of the National Air Traffic Controllers Association
Shouldn’t that make a strike mean even more this time or am I missing something? If they wanna fuck around with air travel I say the ATC gives em what they want and all walk off the job. We’ll see how fast the R’s wanna negotiate then.
And the republicans could end this today if they wanted to. But they don’t
Great job republicans! Continue to fuck over every American.
Sitting in Vegas at the airport right now, dreading the day, next to some dude on the phone who said to whomever he was talking, “I wish them Democrats would just pay our workers.”
I wasn’t planning to fly to the US anytime soon. But this clinches it. So many dangers entering the USA under this administration. It’s very sad to witness.
I am very worried that (1) there will be a major airline disaster resulting from this chaos, and (2) the media will manufacture consent (i.e. entirely the wrong lesson) that both sides are equally to blame and should have just worked together… when in fact the GOP is purely nihilistic and has an explicit agenda to tear down our entire federal government (aside from the police state dimension).
As always, it is worth noting that:
* Of the 128 days the US government has ever been shutdown, 75 days (and counting) were under Trump (or 58%)
* Of the $24,4 billion worth of cost from all these shutdowns in the US history, $21,7 billion was under Trump (or 89%), $16,7 billion just from this latest (and ongoing) shutdown
* Of the 4 shutdown where the presidency, senate, and house were under control of a single party, 3 shutdowns were under Trump. The other shutdown was under Jimmy Carter, but only affected the FTC (and lasted a single day). If you wanna get technical, control of the house flipped during Trump’s 2nd shutdown.
* Of the 11 shutdowns in US history, 3 were under Trump. 7 were under Republican presidents.
I feel like peoples insticitivr reaction is „I don’t fly anyway, this doesn’t affect me“
Dawg when planes are falling out of the sky into residential areas remember everyone is at risk
Bend over and grab your ankles holiday travelers
Don’t worry everyone, when the airline industry collapses, our federal government will be there to bail out and save all the airline corporations! Nothing to worry about!
It blows my mind that we aren’t paying like $500k+ a year for these roles. They are such a critical part of our infrastructure, basic staffing issues should never be a factor like this. Just insane.
ATC has to go on strike, illegal or not
Start with a mass sick out over Thanksgiving to really get the pressure on
You all ready for an entirely predictable avoidable tragedy to occur? I know I’m not.
What happened to the software update Elon was taking over…?
It’s becoming more and more apparent that (unrelated to the insane shit ice is doing), that it’s more than likely the case there is going to need to be a horrific catastrophe that claims the lives of possibly hundreds before the republicans are forced or feel even moderately forced to do anything, and likely due to the backlash generated by the deaths of innocent people directly, unambiguously connected to the shutdown and their absolute inability and unwillingness to govern and let the country function normally.
They just don’t care. They want the chaos, and the pain. It will probably take ATCs going on mass strike and completely tanking the airline industry before the idiots and evil bastards in DC do anything.
Why are air traffic controllers not considered absolutely critical employees and get paid no matter what happens? Also, aren’t the funds that pay air traffic controllers come from airline/airport fees and not the taxpayer?
We’ve finally made it to the point where effects are being felt by more people because essential workers are as saying fuck it. In the past we never get to this point.
is the life of an ATC like this glorious scene in *Pushing Tin*, starring John Cusack?
https://youtu.be/HczHtWP_uPs?si=LTq8nJflVKGkBClK
Soon, the administration will announce the plan for the new ATC by SpaceX.
No more pesky union. It’ll be cheaper and more efficient. And way worse.
One thing with the resignations — In addition to everything else, *anyone* in federal government employment is going on around 10 months of this administration holding their jobs over their heads and constantly insulting them and their career. ATC employees have felt that all of this time and now they’re not getting paid while being told to come anyway. It’s exhausting and this admin is essentially gutting the next generation of most of these orgs and agencies.
This is what happens when you vote republican or when republicans are in charge
Just wait until Thanksgiving… busiest travel day of the year is just three weeks away.
This can’t go three more weeks, right?
Having a law that says that ATC are required to work without pay (aka slavery) instead of the government having to pay workers even if they don’t agree on the budget is basically what is wrong with America.
This is the “tearing system
Down” stage that people wanted. I’m just not sure they realised how much pain was involved, how long it will take, and I’m not sure why they thought a better system would arise from the ashes.
Imagine having a job that literally makes you responsible for the lives of thousands of people every single day, and now you’re working more hours than before AND you’re not getting paid, so you’re at risk of losing your home, you don’t have food, you can’t even pay to put gas in your car to get to work, but you know if you quit and get a different job then people might likely die.
Enjoy y’alls flights… I wouldn’t get on a plane right now!
Are we winning yet?
Give this a shot: https://www.openscope.io then tell me that this isn’t stressful. 😰
We have hundred of millions of dollars for ICE agents but zero for air traffic controllers???
I’m beginning to fear that it’s going to take a horrible accident before the Trump administration does anything.
ATC needs to refuse to do the job unpaid. Bring air travel to a halt in US. The government would be open in a day. Billionaires can’t be inconvenienced.
You don’t understand if we reopen the government they’ll have to release the Epstein files and what’s more important Americans or really rich Americans
Of course it’s different, it is called The Epstein Shutdown!
is this affecting private jets equally?
As the safety issue is related to how many aircraft are currently in the air, all non-cargo aircraft with less than 100 passengers should not be allowed to take off. Ground the PJs in favor of high-capacity aircraft since an air traffic controller sees them both the same on radar.
Shut down the airports
I don’t know how any dire warning could speak louder than the massive Fireball that UPS plane crash made