What makes indians so successful in the west ? And reversely, why is there still such a big proportion of India’s population that lives in poverty ?
Azanted79 on
Because the best ones in their fields usually leave for the west. This doesn’t mean every indian is good. It just shows the brain drain
StickyThickStick on
Does Germany (citizens) include the said foreigners as they are citizens too?
CLPond on
Do you have data for the income by nationality for nationalities making less than average. It is a bit strange to see the “all foreigners” group make less money than each of the individual foreigners listed
MixedMartialLaw on
Indians are also the highest earning immigrant group in the US. Also out earning the native born population.
JonNordland on
Since I am a personality-focused psychologist (that’s my hammer, so everything looks like such a nail!), I would see what personality factors affect income. So just for fun, I’m going to do an unnecessary deconstruction of common sense.
One obvious interpretation is that moving to and working in any other country requires something of the individual personality that also makes the person more productive.
* Openness to experience: +~1.9% per SD.
* Conscientiousness: +~1.6% per SD.
* Extraversion: +~0.3% per SD.
* Agreeableness: −~1.7% per SD.
* Neuroticism: −~1.8% per SD.
So if a person is +/- 2xSD in the „helpful“ direction for each personality trait, personality would explain a 14.6% increase in earnings for these personality profiles.
Now we just need to figure out how much „Openness to experience,“ „emotional stability,“ „disagreeableness,“ and „conscientiousness“ **cause** people to move to other countries. If the causality for this is high, with a low per capita emigration rate (making this profile highly specific to emigration), we could say the following: People who are open to new experiences, work hard, are emotionally stable, and prioritize their own needs and wants make up a large proportion of emigrants. This, in turn, makes them outliers both in immigration rates and earnings potential, based solely on personality traits. So the very same personality that makes them prone to move makes them better earners.
Note, the math COULD fit, but I don’t know of any sources for emigration rate versus personality traits. But I would be surprised if this isn’t a huge part of the trend shown in the graph. In other words, personality alone could in theory explain this.
If one wanted to spice it up, one could also include the role of IQ in both immigration and earning. But that’s a minefield to talk about…
Just a fun thought experiment on my part though. Don’t take it too seriously.
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What makes indians so successful in the west ? And reversely, why is there still such a big proportion of India’s population that lives in poverty ?
Because the best ones in their fields usually leave for the west. This doesn’t mean every indian is good. It just shows the brain drain
Does Germany (citizens) include the said foreigners as they are citizens too?
Do you have data for the income by nationality for nationalities making less than average. It is a bit strange to see the “all foreigners” group make less money than each of the individual foreigners listed
Indians are also the highest earning immigrant group in the US. Also out earning the native born population.
Since I am a personality-focused psychologist (that’s my hammer, so everything looks like such a nail!), I would see what personality factors affect income. So just for fun, I’m going to do an unnecessary deconstruction of common sense.
One obvious interpretation is that moving to and working in any other country requires something of the individual personality that also makes the person more productive.
* Openness to experience: +~1.9% per SD.
* Conscientiousness: +~1.6% per SD.
* Extraversion: +~0.3% per SD.
* Agreeableness: −~1.7% per SD.
* Neuroticism: −~1.8% per SD.
So if a person is +/- 2xSD in the „helpful“ direction for each personality trait, personality would explain a 14.6% increase in earnings for these personality profiles.
Now we just need to figure out how much „Openness to experience,“ „emotional stability,“ „disagreeableness,“ and „conscientiousness“ **cause** people to move to other countries. If the causality for this is high, with a low per capita emigration rate (making this profile highly specific to emigration), we could say the following: People who are open to new experiences, work hard, are emotionally stable, and prioritize their own needs and wants make up a large proportion of emigrants. This, in turn, makes them outliers both in immigration rates and earnings potential, based solely on personality traits. So the very same personality that makes them prone to move makes them better earners.
Note, the math COULD fit, but I don’t know of any sources for emigration rate versus personality traits. But I would be surprised if this isn’t a huge part of the trend shown in the graph. In other words, personality alone could in theory explain this.
If one wanted to spice it up, one could also include the role of IQ in both immigration and earning. But that’s a minefield to talk about…
Just a fun thought experiment on my part though. Don’t take it too seriously.