Didn’t Ms Croxall take the Beeb to an employment tribute and they had to give her a payout?
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>It added that „congratulatory messages Ms Croxall later received on social media, together with the critical views expressed in the complaints to the BBC and elsewhere, tended to confirm that the impression of her having expressed a personal view was widely shared across the spectrum of opinion on the issue“.
The Twitter TERFs are responsible for this complaint being upheld. Ironic.
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This was after the Supreme Court ruling, right? We are now allowed to say pregnant women I think. Another storm in a teacup imo.
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>The ECU said it considered Croxall’s facial expression laid it open to the interpretation that it „indicated a particular viewpoint in the controversies currently surrounding trans ideology.“
The original letter, [seen here](https://www.reddit.com/comments/1opyvj1) says **TRANS IDENTITY**, not „trans ideology“. Fucking BBC can’t even quote their own letter properly.
Edit: they’ve edited it and it’s now quoted properly. Archived link here: https://archive.ph/Fd0F3
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“The ECU said it considered Croxall’s facial expression laid it open to the interpretation that it „indicated a particular viewpoint in the controversies currently surrounding trans ideology.“”
I wonder if the ECU realise that describing the existence of trans people as “trans ideology” is also indicating a particular viewpoint, regardless of the action they’ve taken here.
EDIT: It seems this BBC News article has actually edited what the ECU said from “trans identity” to “trans ideology”, which definitely seems like the author of this piece has also breached impartiality by doing so.
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Not got a dog in this fight but is hysterical that both groups use the exact same rhetoric against each other but literally can’t comprehend the other side at all.
I’d saved the top comment when this story first broke
>Totally normal thing to focus on and care about and totally not deranged and weird.
Out of context, can you really tell me what side this represents lmao.
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It’s worth noting when cases like this arise, where there is so much indignation about using inclusive language and how it’s supposedly morally righteous to refuse to do so, that it costs nothing at all.
Yet at the moment the line being pushed by the EHRC, media, and certain government figures that trans people will not be detrimented by mandatory implementation of exclusionary policies, because places will end up providing alternative facilities too even if it has a substantial price tag. How is this believable if trans people can’t even ask for inclusion that costs nothing at all?
And when the very people like Croxall that espouse news stories in a manner shaped by their biases, how is there any hope at all that should there be negative consequences to the equality of trans people due to policies that they favoured then they will honestly report on them?
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This Daily Mail article (sorry) shows some people (from the US) who would definitely pass as men, and who are most certainly pregnant.
It seems to be an incredibly confused article complaining because they are getting medical help to deliver their babies. Just like anyone else who is pregnant. Not sure what they expect to happen instead.
The DM would typically argue that trans men aren’t really men. Until they get pregnant, apparently, then the DM decides they are men after all, and therefore shouldn’t get any medical help. It is difficult to understand what their point is.
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Has anyone else read the internal memo by the ex BBC Editorial Guidelines and Standards Board adviser Michael Prescott published in full by the telegraph? I wonder if Croxall was cocking a snook at some of her own colleagues and superiors.
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She expressed her view on how stupid this narritive is that the overwhelmingly majority of us feel too.
„Pregnant People“ – Women. Obviously. Lets stop this stupid bullshit of tiptoeing around words because someone may get offended by reality.
Yes, If you we’re born with a penis and do not have the female anatomy to give birth then you can’t get pregnant because your not a woman. Doesn’t mean you can’t identify as one or live your life as one.
You can disagree with this, you can debate this, you can insult me for this, but all your doing is denying literal facts. If your able to birth a human being, you are a woman.
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Didn’t Ms Croxall take the Beeb to an employment tribute and they had to give her a payout?
>It added that „congratulatory messages Ms Croxall later received on social media, together with the critical views expressed in the complaints to the BBC and elsewhere, tended to confirm that the impression of her having expressed a personal view was widely shared across the spectrum of opinion on the issue“.
The Twitter TERFs are responsible for this complaint being upheld. Ironic.
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This was after the Supreme Court ruling, right? We are now allowed to say pregnant women I think. Another storm in a teacup imo.
>The ECU said it considered Croxall’s facial expression laid it open to the interpretation that it „indicated a particular viewpoint in the controversies currently surrounding trans ideology.“
The original letter, [seen here](https://www.reddit.com/comments/1opyvj1) says **TRANS IDENTITY**, not „trans ideology“. Fucking BBC can’t even quote their own letter properly.
Edit: they’ve edited it and it’s now quoted properly. Archived link here: https://archive.ph/Fd0F3
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“The ECU said it considered Croxall’s facial expression laid it open to the interpretation that it „indicated a particular viewpoint in the controversies currently surrounding trans ideology.“”
I wonder if the ECU realise that describing the existence of trans people as “trans ideology” is also indicating a particular viewpoint, regardless of the action they’ve taken here.
EDIT: It seems this BBC News article has actually edited what the ECU said from “trans identity” to “trans ideology”, which definitely seems like the author of this piece has also breached impartiality by doing so.
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Not got a dog in this fight but is hysterical that both groups use the exact same rhetoric against each other but literally can’t comprehend the other side at all.
I’d saved the top comment when this story first broke
>Totally normal thing to focus on and care about and totally not deranged and weird.
Out of context, can you really tell me what side this represents lmao.
It’s worth noting when cases like this arise, where there is so much indignation about using inclusive language and how it’s supposedly morally righteous to refuse to do so, that it costs nothing at all.
Yet at the moment the line being pushed by the EHRC, media, and certain government figures that trans people will not be detrimented by mandatory implementation of exclusionary policies, because places will end up providing alternative facilities too even if it has a substantial price tag. How is this believable if trans people can’t even ask for inclusion that costs nothing at all?
And when the very people like Croxall that espouse news stories in a manner shaped by their biases, how is there any hope at all that should there be negative consequences to the equality of trans people due to policies that they favoured then they will honestly report on them?
This Daily Mail article (sorry) shows some people (from the US) who would definitely pass as men, and who are most certainly pregnant.
[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13019481/transgender-men-birth-data.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13019481/transgender-men-birth-data.html)
It seems to be an incredibly confused article complaining because they are getting medical help to deliver their babies. Just like anyone else who is pregnant. Not sure what they expect to happen instead.
The DM would typically argue that trans men aren’t really men. Until they get pregnant, apparently, then the DM decides they are men after all, and therefore shouldn’t get any medical help. It is difficult to understand what their point is.
Slightly off topic
Has anyone else read the internal memo by the ex BBC Editorial Guidelines and Standards Board adviser Michael Prescott published in full by the telegraph? I wonder if Croxall was cocking a snook at some of her own colleagues and superiors.
She expressed her view on how stupid this narritive is that the overwhelmingly majority of us feel too.
„Pregnant People“ – Women. Obviously. Lets stop this stupid bullshit of tiptoeing around words because someone may get offended by reality.
Yes, If you we’re born with a penis and do not have the female anatomy to give birth then you can’t get pregnant because your not a woman. Doesn’t mean you can’t identify as one or live your life as one.
You can disagree with this, you can debate this, you can insult me for this, but all your doing is denying literal facts. If your able to birth a human being, you are a woman.