One important difference: police officers get time and a half for overtime, while teachers get a pat on the back.
AgentDaxis on
Example #8483 of the fucked up priorities in this country.
Due_Praline_8538 on
The south the progressive bastion
Genocide_69 on
Cop wages are fine, what’s a tragedy is teachers wages
ZookeepergameMost124 on
It’s all driven by economics. I mean, if you want to complain, I don’t know who you’d complain to. Wages in this country are largely driven by market forces….supply and demand. If there’s a job with a low barrier to entry (teaching, evidently) it will be paid at a lower rate than one that isn’t as low (law enforcement, evidently).
Also, I don’t know too many teachers who work weekends and holidays and are out in the rain or stuck on night shift for months at a time.
> Whether by the **standards of Lenin, who once defined a police state as one where policemen earned more than school teachers**, or by the experience of the Polish people, who are subject to regular document checks and the wide use of infiltrators and informants, Poland is clearly a police state. In or out of uniform, the police are the instruments of political power.
Intersingly, in Poland, the anti-communist *Solidarity* movement used this „Lenin quote“ [in their propaganda materials](https://a.allegroimg.com/s1024/0ca2a5/2487ac6041f29e5283ee1d73fc27). Could it be that the NY Times issue was smuggled through the Iron Curtain and started spreading around?
PS. Oh, and technically speaking^tm , Eastern Bloc countries like Poland and the Soviet Union had a *militia* force, not a police force, so I guess they were not police states after all.
Schmutz2000 on
Interesting how blue states spend more funding the gestapo
Calvin_Ball_86 on
This is interesting but clearly a piece is missing given the discrepancy between base pay and educational outcomes. What about benefits? What about resources for educators. What about limits on getting le ot?
55559585 on
As expected, the South is the progressive bastion valuing education over police brutality, while California continues to fearmonger about crime while leaving education underfunded.
qpv on
So, my take here is that police are *really* not paid well in the south. From what I’ve read teachers are not paid well there (not compared to Canada anyway)
Ebenezer72 on
I had no idea cops’ pay was so low coming from the blue area of this map. Cops should be paid a lot more for their jobs (and so should teachers but that’s obvious)
lost-myspacer on
One risks being shot every day they go to work. And the other are police officers.
gottahavethatbass on
I used to work a job counting the concessions cash at concerts and sporting events. I made barely above minimum wage. The cops that escorted us around while we were collecting it made $50/ hour. At one of our venues, the cops wouldn’t carry the bag of cash because “we’re not getting paid enough for that.”
eastcoastjon on
Police officers, in NJ at least, get so much OT pay. They can essentially double their salary. Teachers- not so much.
Lucky_Marzipan_8032 on
Teachers don’t work overtime, holidays, rotating shifts, nor deal with life-threatening situations daily.
This is like comparing apples to rocks.
Also, the whole public education system is a failed model.
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Great map!!
Interesting!
One important difference: police officers get time and a half for overtime, while teachers get a pat on the back.
Example #8483 of the fucked up priorities in this country.
The south the progressive bastion
Cop wages are fine, what’s a tragedy is teachers wages
It’s all driven by economics. I mean, if you want to complain, I don’t know who you’d complain to. Wages in this country are largely driven by market forces….supply and demand. If there’s a job with a low barrier to entry (teaching, evidently) it will be paid at a lower rate than one that isn’t as low (law enforcement, evidently).
Also, I don’t know too many teachers who work weekends and holidays and are out in the rain or stuck on night shift for months at a time.
BTW. „*A ‚police state‘ is any state, where a police officer earns more than a teacher*“ (or a variation of this) is a quote supposedly written by Vladimir Lenin. Numerous investigations (including [one on reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/comments/ikjkkq/tomtquote_if_the_police_are_paid_more_than/g3ncgnh/) ) failed to find anything similar in Lenin original writings. One of the oldest known attributions comes from a 1985 NY Times article, about the trial of the murdreres of [Jerzy Popiełuszko](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerzy_Popie%C5%82uszko) in communist Poland:
> Whether by the **standards of Lenin, who once defined a police state as one where policemen earned more than school teachers**, or by the experience of the Polish people, who are subject to regular document checks and the wide use of infiltrators and informants, Poland is clearly a police state. In or out of uniform, the police are the instruments of political power.
Intersingly, in Poland, the anti-communist *Solidarity* movement used this „Lenin quote“ [in their propaganda materials](https://a.allegroimg.com/s1024/0ca2a5/2487ac6041f29e5283ee1d73fc27). Could it be that the NY Times issue was smuggled through the Iron Curtain and started spreading around?
PS. Oh, and technically speaking^tm , Eastern Bloc countries like Poland and the Soviet Union had a *militia* force, not a police force, so I guess they were not police states after all.
Interesting how blue states spend more funding the gestapo
This is interesting but clearly a piece is missing given the discrepancy between base pay and educational outcomes. What about benefits? What about resources for educators. What about limits on getting le ot?
As expected, the South is the progressive bastion valuing education over police brutality, while California continues to fearmonger about crime while leaving education underfunded.
So, my take here is that police are *really* not paid well in the south. From what I’ve read teachers are not paid well there (not compared to Canada anyway)
I had no idea cops’ pay was so low coming from the blue area of this map. Cops should be paid a lot more for their jobs (and so should teachers but that’s obvious)
One risks being shot every day they go to work. And the other are police officers.
I used to work a job counting the concessions cash at concerts and sporting events. I made barely above minimum wage. The cops that escorted us around while we were collecting it made $50/ hour. At one of our venues, the cops wouldn’t carry the bag of cash because “we’re not getting paid enough for that.”
Police officers, in NJ at least, get so much OT pay. They can essentially double their salary. Teachers- not so much.
Teachers don’t work overtime, holidays, rotating shifts, nor deal with life-threatening situations daily.
This is like comparing apples to rocks.
Also, the whole public education system is a failed model.