With the low tech salaries in Europe, the only way to succeed is to build Gulag first.
Iamoggierock on
So basically America for no good reason to themselves has awoken historical allies to the point of little or no return. This is a good but unstable time. A shame on America and for America.
Able_One5779 on
Open source is open already, British Ubuntu with German KDE is fine.
I’d be much more interested in buying some MCUs that are not baked in Taiwan or China, or mixed signal ICs that are not coming from AD/TI. No, STM is not EU, it’s manufactured with 90 and 45 nm TSMC nodes and for some reason is flagged with US export control restrictions at Mouser and Arrow websites.
eugay on
Lmao good luck
darkgothmog on
What a joke, a lot of their IT is built on IBM, Oracle , MS, .. and they’re not ready to switch and not even talking about it
Erakko on
Build what?
FabioSein on
Excellent idea.
Open source= research
Research=evolution
Tough_Arugula2828 on
I know this is more about cloud infrastructure, which I think totally makes sense for companies and especially governments to have locally, but I think there are downsides for Europe as well..
I went from an American company using American tools to a European company using a hybrid of American/European tools, and In my personal experience, they’ll settle for tools that aren’t as good just because they’re European made. Which makes sense, but it hurts my productivity and other people in the company as well – so where’s the line between going with Europe to support them, and going with the „best“ tools, which in turn help the company grow faster, enable hiring of more people, make more money, etc
TheoryOfDevolution on
The article mentions open source and then include OVHCloud, which is not an open source cloud service.
You can’t build a tech giant in the EU because many EU countries believe UGC content is the platform’s responsibility, as evident by the draconian Chat Control proposal https://fightchatcontrol.eu/. As long as that’s the case, the „protocol“ doesn’t matter. You can’t develop a product and be directly responsible for the communications of 400m people on it.
PavelKringa55 on
This is a periodic event. Folks push for open source. Try using it. Figure out it’s not as good as classic products. They go back to classic paid products. They get and idea they could save by using open soruce, go to open source, get burned again…
prueba_hola on
Suse from Germany ( openSUSE )
Canonical from UK ( ubuntu )
Tuxedo from Germany ( hardware manufacturer )
Minute_Attempt3063 on
sooner or later, they wont have US tech anymore.
Fairphone will likely get better traction and support as well.
tsereg on
Europe is like a child that still believes that you only have to wish for something very hard.
Mister__Mediocre on
If I’m being honest, I don’t think being antagonistic towards making money is a good idea. I love open source, but that doesn’t make it the best tool for every job. Sometimes you want a corporation who makes a lot of money from the product who will hence go out of its way to support your business needs.
myasco42 on
One thing is to switch and another is to support it. Are there any plans to also provide additional support to those solutions?
padyirishman on
Idk probably comes with full chat and surveillance of all your messages . Just can’t trust them not to fuck it up
Nebulya97 on
It is time to develop what’s needed for our needs, to become autonomous. Open source is the key but what about the pieces inside the computer? That’s also what should be the main focus.
I hope development is on its way somehow.
Spider_pig448 on
In other words, Europe wants to ditch US tech giants but isn’t willing to spend money doing so, instead just riding on the free work of others. I’m sure that will work out just fine.
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With the low tech salaries in Europe, the only way to succeed is to build Gulag first.
So basically America for no good reason to themselves has awoken historical allies to the point of little or no return. This is a good but unstable time. A shame on America and for America.
Open source is open already, British Ubuntu with German KDE is fine.
I’d be much more interested in buying some MCUs that are not baked in Taiwan or China, or mixed signal ICs that are not coming from AD/TI. No, STM is not EU, it’s manufactured with 90 and 45 nm TSMC nodes and for some reason is flagged with US export control restrictions at Mouser and Arrow websites.
Lmao good luck
What a joke, a lot of their IT is built on IBM, Oracle , MS, .. and they’re not ready to switch and not even talking about it
Build what?
Excellent idea.
Open source= research
Research=evolution
I know this is more about cloud infrastructure, which I think totally makes sense for companies and especially governments to have locally, but I think there are downsides for Europe as well..
I went from an American company using American tools to a European company using a hybrid of American/European tools, and In my personal experience, they’ll settle for tools that aren’t as good just because they’re European made. Which makes sense, but it hurts my productivity and other people in the company as well – so where’s the line between going with Europe to support them, and going with the „best“ tools, which in turn help the company grow faster, enable hiring of more people, make more money, etc
The article mentions open source and then include OVHCloud, which is not an open source cloud service.
In any case, I believe the push for open source away from US tech is overhyped. People still use TikTok despite it being Chinese spyware and firms still buy Huawei equipment, for example. For all the wave and hubbub about dropping Microsoft and Windows, the actual places that have done so are [small](https://www.zdnet.com/article/german-state-replaces-microsoft-exchange-and-outlook-with-open-source-email/) and [inconsequential](https://www.zdnet.com/article/this-city-is-dumping-microsoft-office-and-windows-for-onlyoffice-and-linux-heres-why/).
Are any of these plans actually going to happen?
You can’t build a tech giant in the EU because many EU countries believe UGC content is the platform’s responsibility, as evident by the draconian Chat Control proposal https://fightchatcontrol.eu/. As long as that’s the case, the „protocol“ doesn’t matter. You can’t develop a product and be directly responsible for the communications of 400m people on it.
This is a periodic event. Folks push for open source. Try using it. Figure out it’s not as good as classic products. They go back to classic paid products. They get and idea they could save by using open soruce, go to open source, get burned again…
Suse from Germany ( openSUSE )
Canonical from UK ( ubuntu )
Tuxedo from Germany ( hardware manufacturer )
sooner or later, they wont have US tech anymore.
Fairphone will likely get better traction and support as well.
Europe is like a child that still believes that you only have to wish for something very hard.
If I’m being honest, I don’t think being antagonistic towards making money is a good idea. I love open source, but that doesn’t make it the best tool for every job. Sometimes you want a corporation who makes a lot of money from the product who will hence go out of its way to support your business needs.
One thing is to switch and another is to support it. Are there any plans to also provide additional support to those solutions?
Idk probably comes with full chat and surveillance of all your messages . Just can’t trust them not to fuck it up
It is time to develop what’s needed for our needs, to become autonomous. Open source is the key but what about the pieces inside the computer? That’s also what should be the main focus.
I hope development is on its way somehow.
In other words, Europe wants to ditch US tech giants but isn’t willing to spend money doing so, instead just riding on the free work of others. I’m sure that will work out just fine.