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    1. TantricBuildup on

      Retaliatory tariffs wont work. We are dealing with someone who isnt negotiating in good faith for beneficial „win/win“ relationships – he is looking for „win/loose“ relationships.

      His 90 deals in 90 days is a perfect example of how easy it is to negotiate with him (hint, i think they have 1 shitty deal and its well past 90 days)

    2. Instead of flip flopping on retaliatory tariffs why not go to the EU and see if we can make deals if we change our regulatory framework to EU standards?

      We import more cars than we export so we should find a willing partner in the EU. It also means that the Americans will lose the currently nearly exclusive market in Canada.

    3. Maleficent-Main-20 on

      Phew, our elbows are safe for now. We don’t have to risk scratching them.

      Seriously though, this is another signal of weakness from the PMO regarding the trade war. Regardless of the actual strategy in play, I’m not sure the PM quite understands the optics or political repercussions of the current path.

      Carney is starting to look more and more like this generation’s Neville Chamberlain than Winston Churchill.

    4. Gauntlet101010 on

      Sadly retaliatory tariffs hurt our own small businesses. That’s why we dropped ‚em. Wish they worked as intended, but they didn’t.

      I know it’s only been a few months, but it may be time to look at building things even faster. Like he promised duirng the campaign. And Ford, I hope he has some ideas too.

      I truly have no hope for a deal with the US.

    5. Things were at „an intense phase“ back in July. It means nothing.

      I suspect there have been some menacing threats behind the scenes if we do anything to retaliate and we just finished lifting most of the counter tariffs Trudeau imposed.

      There was a The Economist piece on June 7th called „Carney’s colossal Canada US-Pact“ that was posted to their website for a few minutes before being taken down. While they clearly felt they couldn’t publish it, I don’t think it was fiction either.

      That article said we had agreed to give the US the right of first refusal on our resources.

      It was quite the article, I would post the archive of it here but the mods keep removing it because they say it circumvents a paywall, even though the article no longer exists on the paywalled website.

      I think that is still the deal the Americans want and why we haven’t made any progress.

    6. NecessaryHotPepper on

      I’m glad I don’t have to pay a heavy new tax on goods from the US. As I try to NOT buy American goods, sometimes it’s unavoidable.

      Its going to come to a point where Canada will have to retaliate and it seems there are other ways to do that and not putting a tax on us.

    7. to me it seemed like the alcohol sales, travel reduction and not buying American made a much bigger difference than the tariffs. to me it makes sense to stick to the things that works and not the things that didn’t. Especially given that the tariffs end up costing Canadians a lot of money.

    8. Nebulaboiii on

      This guy campaigned specifically campaigned on reducing dependence on the US and developing new export markets.

      Yet all his time and focus seems to be on chasing a US trade deal and kissing up to Trump.

      NAFTA only came into existence in 1994, yet he acts like he can’t imagine Canada existing without it. The country was prosperous before 1994 and can be again. This sickening devotion to the last 30 years of economic policy , when it’s objectively led to managed decline, is insanity.

      Where the deal with China, the largest economy in real terms? What’s he doing poisoning the well and jeopardizing trade with pointless ev tariffs when the USA has explicitly stated their intention to decouple and re-shore auto production?

    9. Any company moving their operations from Canada to the USA should have 100% import tax applied. Or give their product an anti-Canadian classification clearly and predominantly labelled to make Canadians aware that purchasing this product supports USA companies over Canadian.

    10. Dropping all Canadian tariffs on auto imports would be a more effective attack on US corporations than increasing tariffs. Competition will harm US profits. Tariffs hurt Canadians.

      Keep our autoworkers employed making armaments instead of cars.

    11. TheFallingStar on

      I remember his first visit to Europe just after becoming Prime Minister. This is before the election.

      He specifically said to the journalists there is a limit for “dollar-to-dollar” tariff due to the size differences in US-Canada economy.

    12. > „There’s time to hit back and there’s time to talk. And right now, it’s time to talk,“ Carney told reporters at an unrelated announcement on crime. „We’re having intense negotiations.“

      During which the US keeps on hitting us. That makes us look weak, and means that the US is going to keep on hitting us, because they are winning that way. We need to make the US hurt if we’re going to convince them to stop hurting us.

      Yet another elbows down moment.

    13. ThankYouTruckers on

      Reminder that during the election, according to LPC advocates, this was „traitorous“ behaviour.

      7 months. No deal, no budget, no reduction of immigration during an ongoing employment, healthcare and housing crisis, no foreign agents registry, and still no accountability for past scandals.

    14. We don’t need to put tariffs on that just raise prices for Canadians. We should be doing things like detaching from policies that were done at the behest of US tech companies like enshrining protections for American intellectual property in our laws. We could remove penalties for bypassing DRM and increase the options for Canadians to make their own tech platforms. Cory Doctrow has some great work on this. 

      So many of our tech and copyright laws were done to placate US and we should move away from that. 

    15. audioshaman on

      In general I am surprised how little the rest of the world has fought back against Trump’s trade agenda. Much bigger players like the EU rolled over for him so fast. Canada’s „elbows up“ position seemed to be an outlier, and I guess we’ve largely abandoned that now too.

      From countries to large corporations, the world has mostly deferred to Trump. Sadly.

      (Also it’s a bit rich for Ford to talk tough now about fighting. He lasted about 3 hours on the electricity thing).

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