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    Irland hat dieses Jahr nur 13 neue Priester. Kann sich die katholische Kirche selbst retten?


    Irland hat dieses Jahr nur 13 neue Priester. Kann sich die katholische Kirche selbst retten?

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    1. TimesandSundayTimes on

      As a missionary priest in Sierra Leone during the civil war in the 1990s, Father Michael Hickey experienced many terrible things: he saw a military truck dragging corpses behind it, was shot at while driving through the countryside and listened as child soldiers clinically discussed the mechanics of decapitation.

      After three decades of clerical abuse scandals and sweeping social change, the Catholic Church’s standing has collapsed. The 2022 Irish census showed 69% of the population identified as Catholic, down from 79% in 2016 — and 93 per cent 40 years ago.

      The collapse in trust is visible in every parish. Fifty years ago, nine in ten Catholics in Ireland went to Mass every week. A survey earlier this year by the Iona Institute in Dublin put the figure at just 16%. Among the 40% who view the Catholic Church unfavourably, 73% said it was because of the abuse scandals.

      There is now a chronic shortage of priests to minister to the dwindling congregations. In the past 30 years the number of working priests has halved to about 2,000. Vocations have also plummeted. In the 1950s, hundreds of new students would enter seminaries in Ireland

    3. momalloyd on

      Should we start a captive breeding program?

      How much natural habitat have they lost?

    4. throughthehills2 on

      My Dad is 70 and in his church he is considered the young one who sets up the tech at events like a projector/video. Mosts priests now are brought in from abroad

    5. wet-paint on

      I was raised RC, am completely atheist, and work in a CoI church. Fuck me, the protestants have it right. Every time I go back to an RC church for a wedding or funeral, they seem so boring, stuffy, the priests seem to lecture you, act superior to you, just…shit.

      A whole load of congregational singing, tea and cake and chats in the church after service, and the priest at the door checking in with the parishioners as they leave, it’s so much more community focused. The curate we had for the last four years got his own parish about a month ago, and fuck me, it was like the entire city turned out for his last service. I’ve often called him the happiest man in Ireland, he’s SUCH a dote. There were people there from every faith and none, just to see him off, and dinner in the church afterwards too with near a hundred at i. A load of homeless and alcoholics too came to the service, he’d made friends with a load of them during his time with us.

      It’s surprised me a lot, that I’d ever like such a thing. I’m still a godless heathen, but if I were to ever choose to go back to religion, I’d not pick the RC church, I’d go CoI.

    6. Key_Duck_6293 on

      There’s a hall in St Patrick’s Pontifical University, Maynooth where they have a list of graduates framed on the wall for each year, and you can visually see the decline of the Catholic church in Ireland as you walk down it.

      To see it go from 500 at its peak down to 13 is very striking, but i do think its a wonderful thing to see an institution that’s done so much damage on a sharp decline.

    7. Oncemor-intothebeach on

      I left Ireland years ago, and I’m almost 40, I can remember my mam telling me about the church, it’s not ancient history, not that long ago the self important little pricks were locking people up in laundry’s, and the kids.
      They should have been outlawed years ago and the churches demolished, fuck them.

    8. Leo-POV on

      It can’t be saved at this rate, I wouldn’t have thought.

      But it’ll survive as long as it’s still taught in schools. However it is not the entity it once was.

      Which is a good thing, in my book. It is a rotten institution historically, although I will accede that there are parts of it that do good.

      Next is to see the reduction in the power and influence of Opus Dei.

    9. DexterousChunk on

      I went to a week day mass a couple of months ago (MIL anniversary mass). That congregation will be gone in 10 years

    10. Lanky_Giraffe on

      The catholic church doesn’t give a shit about Ireland. Go to pretty much any African country or parts of Asia and you’ll see that their grift is doing better than ever. The church could lose every catholic in Europe and still be growing in numbers. Plus these are often places where they can get away with preaching their extremist bile about sex, sexuality, and gender roles. The collapse of Catholicism in Ireland is a very minor setback for them. When considered globally, the average catholic message is ultra conservative, and possibly getting worse as they shed followers in developed countries in favour of people from countries with fewer opportunities and weaker institutions.

    11. traveler49 on

      It has been predicted that soon there will be so few priests they will have to imported from Africa, Asia and wherever else there were Missions. In complete role reversal soon there will be opportunities for priests to come serve in the missions in pagan Ireland.

    12. Old-Sock-816 on

      “Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest”..

    18. Eirwig on

      If they let priests marry, they’d get a fair few more. They seem content to let the institution die out rather than let that happen. And that’s not to mention women priests

    21. Odd_Dealer2669 on

      The Catholic church’s influence in Ireland is long dead, they don’t tell us what to do anymore and I’m all for it

    22. Bredius88 on

      Great!
      I think Church personnel is a dying breed.
      Just think of all the real estate that will be available soon!

    23. CuAnnan on

      The Murphy and Ryan reports.
      The Magdeline Laundries.
      The Mother and Child homes.

      Why do people still participate in this when it is demonstrably what Christ called a Rotten Tree?

    24. Dolly_Pet on

      It is interesting that without economic deprivation and the promises of a powerful position the number of „callings“ and „“vocations“ is rock bottom.

      Almost like if people have literally ANY other options they will choose them.

      Beyond that it is hilarious that the church will choose a slow lingering death than women. The bigotry goes through it like letters on a stick of rock

      Locally in West cork I’ve heard of churches doing one mass a month and some being closed for the whole summer due to lack of priests.

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