Keir Starmer „plant, Nigel Farage und den Brexit für die Haushaltssteuererhöhungen verantwortlich zu machen“.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tax-rises-budget-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-b2843635.html
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Keir Starmer „plant, Nigel Farage und den Brexit für die Haushaltssteuererhöhungen verantwortlich zu machen“.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tax-rises-budget-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-b2843635.html
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Good NIgel Farages 20+ years of being pm was a disaster for this country, good for Starmer calling him out truly one of the greatest pms we’ve had.
Fair enough. About time we stopped pretending Brexit was anything other than a massive shit show and blame the man most responsible.
I mean he’s not wrong lots of the budget issues start with brexit, got compounded with Covid, but Nige is a king weasel. The failure of brexit is not his fault, because he bitched out after the vote
Yeah, he’ll fuck up the delivery and lose even more “points”.
He needs to focus on delivering, he’s not charismatic enough to get into a dick measuring contest with Nigel.
Mate just stop fucking talking about him. The reason Brexit happened was because Remain did nothing but tell us how scary Leave were, instead of telling us how great Remain were. There’s a lesson to be learned there.
The Brexit fiasco is responsible for so many of our current problems. Starmer is correct to blame it. Farage bears responsibility.
Why doesn’t he at least go someway to try and reverse Brexit with another democratic vote? You can whine and blame whoever you want but without anything in the way of a solution you can’t be taken seriously.
Fiscally there’s a fag paper between Starmer and Tories and Reform.
It might be a bit more believable if Starmer wanted to even return to 2007 levels of wealth disparity
Although disingenuous in his timing, it’s about time we stopped pretending democracy ended and we had to keep committing acts of self harm to honour a misinformed and noisy group that have largely died out. Do we keep pushing this brexit nonsense into the 30s 40s 50s?
I would say people should declare leave or remain. If they voted remain, they get none of the Brexit wins. If you voted leave, you should get the lot…which also means you need to foot any shortfall for your actions. Let’s see if people are willing to put their money where their mouth is
Finally. It’s about time Frogface took the rightful blame
It’s also because he and Rachel Reeves and utterly shit.
Farages biggest weaknesses are the policies he supports that to go incredibly badly (not just Brexit but things like Truss‘ budget, Milei’s economics, etc), together with his support of Trump who is very unpopular in the UK.
These are very difficult for Labour to use without committing to rejoining the EU or while having to work with Trump.
Ideally the media & other parties should be mentioning this, but the media are giving Reform an easy ride & barely reporting on the other parties.
What a politician has supported in the past is pretty damn relevant for those considering voting him in the future.
> But sources told The Times Sir Keir and chancellor Rachel Reeves are planning to argue that this downgrade would not have happened were it not for Brexit, pinning the blame on the Reform leader for leading the campaign to take Britain out of the EU.
It’s true, and people have been speculating that Starmer’s last throw of the dice would be leaning heavily back into the Remain constituency. It is wild that 48% of people voted Remain in 2016, an even higher percentage of the voting public would support Remain now, but that constituency has largely just been abandoned by our political class.
I just can’t help but think this pivot will be very difficult to make when:
1) Starmer and his team have spent the last few years insisting Brexit is actually cool
2) When questioned, Starmer and his team will almost certain continue to say they think Brexit is actually cool.
Yeah no shit we should have been doing this the whole time.
If he’s going to do that then I really think he needs to show a way forward to resolve it by moving towards getting the customs union or single market back
The problem with this farming of pointing the finger at Brexit is that when you’re in charge, you could reverse it. So when you don’t, it comes across poorly.
Good! Go on the offensive. Start being clear that this is the mess of Brexit, of austerity, of the cost of living, that the country’s state of play did not suddenly appear with a Labour government. Control the conversation.
Just get him on his plans for the economy, and more local stuff like ASB, something some of his voters do that irritates the fuck out of everyone else. Find a wedge somewhere
2074 – Labour blame everything on 14 years of Tory government and the infamous ’20 billion black hole‘.
FFS. Try a bit harder guys.
I’m so bored of the Brexit argument.
We was expected to have lost 4% of our annual GDP due to Brexit making it a loss of around £32bn a year including EU rebates and saving an approximate £13.2bn in membership fees.
Problem is, this was only a prediction. We don’t know what the UK economy would have done was it still in the EU as the EU has been all but as stagnant as the UK since COVID as well. Only the USA and Asia has seen decent growth.
Does anyone actually have anything concrete in regards to Brexit to actually say, with figures, what the actual reality is or are we just going to keep throwing the adjective around like some sort of coping mechanism???
Also, I don’t really understand what Nigel Farage has done yet. He certainly has the potential to make things worse but what policies has he actually enacted this far?
I think the last 28 years of successive governments have a lot more to answer for than the union we’re still trading with. I know dairy and meat producers have shit out pretty badly but was this + travelling entertainers really holding us up that much?
For context, it’s predicted the cost of COVID19 on the UK economy was £310bn to £410bn, but I suppose you can’t really blame anyone for that can you…………………
Doesn’t matter who he blames, it’s getting little tiring! It’s his own doing….
So Starmer is now blaming Farage.
He has also been blaming the Tories.
Labour had 14 years to prepare for being in government. They knew at least six months before the election they would be in power, but even then, they didn’t hit the ground running.
Labour need to stop the blame game and start being positive.
As much as people moan about Trump, at least he started making changes from day one..
He won’t directly blame Brexit – a party wouldn’t risk the stubborn public from doubling down.
I’m actually grateful for the way the govt has telegraphed to everyone who can to get out asap and dump any U.K. assets
Absolutely pathetic stuff. Perhaps Reeves should use the time instead to have a little fiscal discipline
Good, that’s a decent strategy.
Pretending Brexit isn’t a noose around the neck of the government’s finances and the economy hasn’t done anything. And Brexit is unique Farage and the Tories fault.
The Tories blamed their shithousery on Labour and the financial crash for over a decade, time to throw it back over the fence.
The only people this will fool is those fools who are fooled anyway.
I wonder if the Labour wonks have decided to take a risk and put Brexit back on the table? They will get mauled by the usuals of course, but they are going to maul them anyway. This at least puts some more distance between himself and Farage and might grab some moderate conservatives.
Good. Stop pussyfooting around and be clear where the issues are.
Yes, Brexit has been a disaster for our economy, social mobility and freedom of movement. It’s about to cost hundreds of jobs in the steel industry as the EU starts tarriffs on imports.
Being the in EU wasn’t without its problems, but Brexit has caused far more.
I mean he isn’t wrong at all, but isn’t doing anything great to try and help either, like a wealth tax
That’s all very well and good so do something about it then.
Every single time it’s a massive elephant in the room and Keir has no plan going forward.
If it’s that bad, then let’s start a campaign to rejoin – consistent polling shows people want to rejoin or at least be more inline with Europe.
Keir has no desire for this, so he doesn’t get to blame it for his ills. Either put up or shut up.
How to isolate possible voters. Not a good idea mentioning the b word. True but not wise. Some of the more nutty Brexit people will be up in arms with this
If he also blames the tories and the super rich he’d be right.
Sounds accurate.. „credit“ where „credit“ is due. Really.
It’s a solid strategy. Probably *the* solid strategy.
It won’t be enough without much stricter immigration rules though.
Good. It’s about time he took some ownership for his legacy of division and economic harakiri.
Funny how at the last budget, there „wouldn’t be any more tax rises“ because no more were needed, apparently. Now the world has changed and that wound up being wrong, due to something that happened in, er, 2016.
Ok, wait for the public to “wake up” in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up first.
Farages lies about brexit should be the main tool used against him.
Shame he has hasn’t got a huge majority and this has only become apparent after he pledged not to increase taxes on working people. Weak, disingenuous, no idea how to run the country but at least it will only be one parliament.
In my circle most labour voters I know voted to leave whilst a lot of tories I know voted remain. Cameron was obviously heavy on remain. Think starmer and his team have ran out of ideas at this point.
Thank f**k for that. About time someone call spade a spade
Nigel Farage must be absolutely loving this.
Living rent free in Starmer’s head.
He must be laughing his ass off.
You have a historical high in taxes… not purely on the squandered opportunity of Brexit but also the fact we have millions of people claiming benefits and a border that still isn’t fixed… Stop dodging blame for everything.
Who cares, he’s never going to win another election any way. The more he makes Farrage center stage the better… Starmer just makes him self look even more like a wabbit in the headlights,