Criticise Blair for his failings all you like, but he united Labour and got the bench benchers in line. Starmer simply can’t or won’t do that and as we’ve already seen with benefits u-turns, the rebellions are going to happen again and again.
People may think Reform are their opponents, but it’s their own majority that stops them changing anything.
prettysureitsmaddie on
Labour aren’t going to get anything done until they change leader at this point. Keir has used up any goodwill he had.
xParesh on
I’ll have more respect for the Labour party itself if they kill this bill, whether or not they replace their leader is up to them
Desperate_Caramel_10 on
It’s a bit of a technophobic/luddite position to oppose digital ID cards. Your ID exists out there digitally anyway in many forms, this just provides a secure access layer; ironically more secure than what we have currently.
threep03k64 on
It’s really embarrassing how often Starmer seems to face this despite the party having such a large majority, did Starmer not expect resistance to this within the party when Digital ID cards were announced? Has no effort been made to actually get enough backbenchers on board before policies are announced?
It gives the impression of a complete absence of any political acumen, just expecting the rest of the party to fall in line regardless of past experience (and common sense).
_L_R_S_ on
When you can’t even lead your own MP’s it’s a huge message to the country that you’re not that good as a leader. That’s irrespective of whether you agree or disagree with the polices of a party.
The fact that his own MP’s don’t understand this and probably think they’re still student socialist radicals allowed to free think all they want is the second indictment of Labour’s leadership.
To demonstrate effective leadership both the leader and the followers have a part to play.
The fact that neither seem to grasp this with Labour is shocking.
Low_Map4314 on
Everyday it’s a rebellion over something or the other. Most pointless majority I’ve seen in ages. Literally get no meaningful legislation passed
Electricbell20 on
It’s a free ID that lives on your phone. Means you don’t need a driving license or passport when applying for jobs. Hopefully it would replace driving license for ID checks for alcohol too.
You can tell which people haven’t read the actual proposals.
BaBeBaBeBooby on
Not convinced even Starmer wants ID cards. It’s clearly a Blair policy forced on Starmer.
RiseUpAndGetOut on
>“We can’t even launch a policy properly,” said one MP.
And that’s the most concise summary. Digital IDs really aren’t a problem – if anything they could be a beneficial thing. But the way in which the policy was launched was a „shitshow“ (to quote someone in else in the article).
If they could at least have announced a fully developed policy, without making an utterly pathetic play to the public that it’s ***somehow*** immigration related, they could have had some success. At the very least it might have attracted no attention, allowing the policy and technology to be progressed. But as it stands, it’s come across as Starmer treating the electorate like fools and ignoring the impact on his own party.
And all of that is before we get to Ellison and his „contributions“ via Blair.
This needs to be scrapped and restarted, taking in a full public consultation before the policy is developed, then a **very tight** overwatch by the ICO and OBR to prevent any corrupt decisions being made, and to ensure data is fully protected.
dragon3301 on
Nothing against keir star mer but he just can’t lead
TheCharalampos on
Turns out you can’t run a goverment effectively with a charisma score of 8.
Just_Match_2322 on
Labour MPs need to think carefully about what they are in government for.
radiant_0wl on
Maybe they need a couple of days together to improve team work.
Have they tried a Jet2 Holiday?
SmashedWorm64 on
Say what you want about Blair, but the man understood politics well, especially in the early years (think he went a bit barmy in the second half). He understood give and take, and had GB on his other half to voice the opinions of backbenchers.
Starmer does not. He seems misguided by people like McSweeney, who’s wrongly hailed as the hero of New New Labour for carrying them through the election, when in reality the election campaign was bad and they only won by not being Tories. Starmer has angered the public, his MPs and everyone in between.
ftatman on
The headline and lots of people in this thread acting like this is Starmer’s personal idea to introduce. He’s the leader the party and the government. He’s not the policy unit or minister for the home office, who generated these ideas as a potential solution to some of the immigration challenges faced by this government. We should use the term ‘government’ and stop referring so often to a particular individual as though they’re some kind of all-powerful dictator making up all the policies.
Efficient_Sky5173 on
Without these right wing policies, Labour would be even lower in approval compared to Reform.
And Labour loves an infighting.
Brace! Brace! for Fascism.
Poppy flower lapel wearing will be a symbol of hypocrisy.
greenpowerman99 on
“One MP said…”
“Another MP said…”
OK, that’s two MPs, and it doesn’t even say if they are Labour MPs.
Mounting Labour rebellion? I don’t think so…
LaCornucopia_ on
Labour are not a serious party; they’re a load of student politicians who haven’t grown up.
We can never get anything done because of the infighting. It’s fucking embarrassing.
JoeyLock on
Labour really are speed running what the Tories did over the last decade, it’s actually impressive how quickly it’s all come apart with scandal after scandal, rebellions, backtracking, becoming the most unpopular PM in recorded history and polls just [plummeting downhill since coming to power.](https://www.economist.com/interactive/2025-british-politics) At least they used to be a little more spread out and often resulted in a vote of no confidence to shake things up a bit.
CrushingPride on
What is the problem that is fixed by ID cards? We already have National Insurance numbers that employers are required to register. Is that not stopping Illegal Immigrants from working? Illegal Immigrants don’t have NI numbers after all.
If these ID cards are going to be *voluntary*, and will contain the same information as passports, driving licences, and National Insurance numbers then what exactly is the point of them? Clearly at least one aspect of what we’re being told is a lie.
ThatGuyMaulicious on
I mean at this point you’d just pray for a new leader to come in and unite the party because Starmer’s government is a train wreck.
Gold_Motor_6985 on
All Hail, Sir Keir Starmer, the Dier on All of the Hills.
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Criticise Blair for his failings all you like, but he united Labour and got the bench benchers in line. Starmer simply can’t or won’t do that and as we’ve already seen with benefits u-turns, the rebellions are going to happen again and again.
People may think Reform are their opponents, but it’s their own majority that stops them changing anything.
Labour aren’t going to get anything done until they change leader at this point. Keir has used up any goodwill he had.
I’ll have more respect for the Labour party itself if they kill this bill, whether or not they replace their leader is up to them
It’s a bit of a technophobic/luddite position to oppose digital ID cards. Your ID exists out there digitally anyway in many forms, this just provides a secure access layer; ironically more secure than what we have currently.
It’s really embarrassing how often Starmer seems to face this despite the party having such a large majority, did Starmer not expect resistance to this within the party when Digital ID cards were announced? Has no effort been made to actually get enough backbenchers on board before policies are announced?
It gives the impression of a complete absence of any political acumen, just expecting the rest of the party to fall in line regardless of past experience (and common sense).
When you can’t even lead your own MP’s it’s a huge message to the country that you’re not that good as a leader. That’s irrespective of whether you agree or disagree with the polices of a party.
The fact that his own MP’s don’t understand this and probably think they’re still student socialist radicals allowed to free think all they want is the second indictment of Labour’s leadership.
To demonstrate effective leadership both the leader and the followers have a part to play.
The fact that neither seem to grasp this with Labour is shocking.
Everyday it’s a rebellion over something or the other. Most pointless majority I’ve seen in ages. Literally get no meaningful legislation passed
It’s a free ID that lives on your phone. Means you don’t need a driving license or passport when applying for jobs. Hopefully it would replace driving license for ID checks for alcohol too.
You can tell which people haven’t read the actual proposals.
Not convinced even Starmer wants ID cards. It’s clearly a Blair policy forced on Starmer.
>“We can’t even launch a policy properly,” said one MP.
And that’s the most concise summary. Digital IDs really aren’t a problem – if anything they could be a beneficial thing. But the way in which the policy was launched was a „shitshow“ (to quote someone in else in the article).
If they could at least have announced a fully developed policy, without making an utterly pathetic play to the public that it’s ***somehow*** immigration related, they could have had some success. At the very least it might have attracted no attention, allowing the policy and technology to be progressed. But as it stands, it’s come across as Starmer treating the electorate like fools and ignoring the impact on his own party.
And all of that is before we get to Ellison and his „contributions“ via Blair.
This needs to be scrapped and restarted, taking in a full public consultation before the policy is developed, then a **very tight** overwatch by the ICO and OBR to prevent any corrupt decisions being made, and to ensure data is fully protected.
Nothing against keir star mer but he just can’t lead
Turns out you can’t run a goverment effectively with a charisma score of 8.
Labour MPs need to think carefully about what they are in government for.
Maybe they need a couple of days together to improve team work.
Have they tried a Jet2 Holiday?
Say what you want about Blair, but the man understood politics well, especially in the early years (think he went a bit barmy in the second half). He understood give and take, and had GB on his other half to voice the opinions of backbenchers.
Starmer does not. He seems misguided by people like McSweeney, who’s wrongly hailed as the hero of New New Labour for carrying them through the election, when in reality the election campaign was bad and they only won by not being Tories. Starmer has angered the public, his MPs and everyone in between.
The headline and lots of people in this thread acting like this is Starmer’s personal idea to introduce. He’s the leader the party and the government. He’s not the policy unit or minister for the home office, who generated these ideas as a potential solution to some of the immigration challenges faced by this government. We should use the term ‘government’ and stop referring so often to a particular individual as though they’re some kind of all-powerful dictator making up all the policies.
Without these right wing policies, Labour would be even lower in approval compared to Reform.
And Labour loves an infighting.
Brace! Brace! for Fascism.
Poppy flower lapel wearing will be a symbol of hypocrisy.
“One MP said…”
“Another MP said…”
OK, that’s two MPs, and it doesn’t even say if they are Labour MPs.
Mounting Labour rebellion? I don’t think so…
Labour are not a serious party; they’re a load of student politicians who haven’t grown up.
We can never get anything done because of the infighting. It’s fucking embarrassing.
Labour really are speed running what the Tories did over the last decade, it’s actually impressive how quickly it’s all come apart with scandal after scandal, rebellions, backtracking, becoming the most unpopular PM in recorded history and polls just [plummeting downhill since coming to power.](https://www.economist.com/interactive/2025-british-politics) At least they used to be a little more spread out and often resulted in a vote of no confidence to shake things up a bit.
What is the problem that is fixed by ID cards? We already have National Insurance numbers that employers are required to register. Is that not stopping Illegal Immigrants from working? Illegal Immigrants don’t have NI numbers after all.
If these ID cards are going to be *voluntary*, and will contain the same information as passports, driving licences, and National Insurance numbers then what exactly is the point of them? Clearly at least one aspect of what we’re being told is a lie.
I mean at this point you’d just pray for a new leader to come in and unite the party because Starmer’s government is a train wreck.
All Hail, Sir Keir Starmer, the Dier on All of the Hills.