Fuck that. 4 day workweek now. It’s literally proven to improve employer health and work productivity.
Edit for anyone thinking this is impossible- tax the billionaires at 40% like we would tax a nurse 40% when they’ve worked a 65 hour week! Simple!
IncorrectAddress on
It will only ever be what someone allows it to be, change only comes from the dissociation of forced measure, and currently, social impact/status is used to force terrible work ethics on to desperate people.
WeMustPlantMoreTrees on
Why do all news media have such god awful websites? Was it always like this? I stopped reading just to count how many adverts I saw after reading a paragraph; also what’s with this fear-mongering too?
Wadarkhu on
When multiple studies have shown working improves with a 4 day week any company going the opposite way is just being evil for the sake of it.
Wanallo221 on
Is this coming to the uk?
I mean, some Tories have been trying for a long time. Since Cameron’s first term. The issue is that this kind of work practice is currently blocked by the European Working Time Directive and rights granted to us under our Employment and Human Rights Acts. All overseen by the ECHR.
Britannia Unchained was the first public attempt to try and make this sort of practice a thing. When that failed to make a dent (because it was far too direct and honest in its toxicity). They are now trying a different tactic: erode those laws through the back door by claiming that they need to go to solve immigration.
Reform are now backed by the same think tanks and donors that backed Truss and co when they first peddled this.
Anyone who thinks that Reforms endgame in ditching all this Legislation for a ‘Bill of Rights’ is to make it better for working Britains, are quite frankly (I’ll put this nicely because apparently saying how it is makes them upset and support fascism out of spite): Misguided Silly Billies!
BlackLiger on
Going to be absolutely blunt on this: Any employer who tells me to do this can get fucked.
HotelPuzzleheaded654 on
Employers should try paying their staff more if they want to see an increase in productivity.
SidneySmut on
If your company *routinely* operates on 996, it’s badly-managed and under-resourced.
BaldyBaldyBouncer on
Yeah probably. The ruling elite have decided that the improvements to the lifestyles of the working classes that took place in the 20th century were very much a bad idea and we should return to a Victorian way of life.
kbm79 on
>these digits refer to the practice of working from 9am till 9pm every day, six days a week. Yes, that’s right: 12 hours a day, totalling 72 a week.
Nah. Not keen.
mr_kangaroo on
The sun will rise in the west, pigs will fly in formation, and hell will ice over thrice before I ever see a 12-hour shift, 6 days a week.
nathanbellows on
Looks like this is (one of the reasons) why they want to leave the ECHR. Looks like we’d better enjoy our liberties and human rights while we can. They’ll be gone with the next government
Boundish91 on
It seems the UK is trying its damnedest to be as awful as the US rather than looking to other European countries for inspiration. For example the nordics.
malin7 on
It will be once Reform get to power and reopen the mines
vaguelypurple on
What happened to AI taking everyone’s jobs?
Oh we have to work longer and more days now? While the AI makes music and art and automates all the creative things humans are supposed to enjoy.
oliverprose on
I can do 955, and that’s about the limit without some serious compensation for the extra time
shrunkenshrubbery on
The shareholder will be very pleased that they are getting maximum value from their underpaid employees.
IntegratedExemplar on
I do this already (two full time jobs, one salaried and one self-employed) and it’s exhausting. You have to have lots of energy and *really* enjoy what you do. This is definitely not a good model for the vast majority of people.
jaredearle on
*The only good 996 is a Ducati 996.*
Next time someone suggests leaving the ECHR, this is the stuff they really want to do. They just want our human rights protections removed so they can treat us like cattle.
Employee protections are the single largest target for the anti-ECHR lobby, but they’ll lie and tell you it’s immigration-related or the death penalty for paedoes. Don’t fall for it.
heppyheppykat on
We literally fought tooth and nail for decades for an 8 hour work day and a 5 day work week.
Genuinely feudalist policy.
BeardMonk1 on
Workers trying to move to 4 day weeks, much more remote and hybrid working.
Some company „best i can offer you is 9am till 9pm every day, six days a week“
limeflavoured on
Betteridge’s law of headlines. Very few people are likely to do this, and companies would soon find out that forcing people to do it might work in China and maybe the US but it won’t work here and certainly won’t in the EU.
RiseUpAndGetOut on
China now, like Japan in the early 00s (and still South Korea) has little in the way of productive work for most of the extended hours people are in the office. Decisions may be made, work may be done, but it all needs revisiting in later days and weeks because exhausted people make poor choices.
One of the many issues in in China now is that the perception of commitment is based on visibility, and to be visible, you need to be in the office. But no amount of visibility will get you far if you’re not connected to the right people.
Eymrich on
I have absolute faith Farange will win the elections thanks to US money and wil try his best to implement and push this along with his tech bros cronies and Russians oligarchs best buddies.
Paddy3118 on
>Surely we should be harnessing tech to work smarter, not harder, rather than allowing profiteering tech bros to line their pockets with human suffering?
merryman1 on
If Reform get in and bring immigration to zero while deporting huge numbers of workers, I expect this kind of pattern will become a lot more necessary.
-starchy- on
Imported slavery was cancelled, let’s do localised slavery instead. That’s the direction we’re heading in.
wkavinsky on
„Tech will make work easier“
Except that heads will be cut, and you’ll end up working **more** to cover the non-existent people who don’t work there to increase profits.
It’s always been the play of capitalists everywhere.
Tech-bro’s are no different, if not even worse, given their constant to desire to build cults-of-company and cults-of-leadership (Tesla, SpaceX, Google, Amazon, Oracle, Microsoft are all guilty of this).
Talonsminty on
That would make our productivity problems way worse.
ProfessorUnhappy5997 on
They mean returning to the UK, that is what Victorian Britons worked
c64z86 on
I’d like to think that this will never be a possibility here, because we are a sane nation that won’t work ourselves to death… but then again there are just too many people that seem to enjoy punishing themselves and bending over backwards to please their bosses for it to not ever come here.
kobrakai_1986 on
I don’t mind doing overtime when required, but any company that tried to enforce this on me would face me resigning once I’d found an alternative. I don’t think most British workers would accept this, even with financial compensation for the extra hours.
young_black_and_rich on
😂No thanks. Good luck getting people to have more children if you’re making them work that much.
aponlel on
The reality is if you’re running 12 hrs a day 6 says a week as a company, your goals and roadmap and expectations are fucked. This is a company problem.
Jensablefur on
Reform win
Leave ECHR
Scrap the Minimum Wage
Get everyone in entry level jobs, couriers, amazon warehouses and retail doing 996 for the equivalent of 5 quid an hour
?????
Profit (… For the 0.1%)
aztecfaces on
One of the shittiest things I’ve noticed since Brexit is that a lot of formerly 9-5 professional roles are now 9-6.
EntirelyRandom1590 on
How does that work for a family?
Two parents working 72 hour weeks are paying huuuuge child are costs.
One parent working 72hr week and another only being able to work within school hours (so likely not a great career move) or again pay for more childcare.
Or just two parents working a total 75-80 hour week.
The latter is 5% more productive and means both parents can maintain a career.
wscottwatson on
No chance! I have been part retired at 2 days a week for a few years. It’s excellent!
I fully retire at the end of the year and have booked my remaining holidays through December so my last working day is the third.
THAT is acceptable working hours!
anangrywizard on
> Chinese labour laws dictate that a standard workday is eight hours, with a maximum working week of 44 hours
When China labour laws dictate less work than a new “trend” that is being suggested, I think that says everything you need to know about it.
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Fuck that. 4 day workweek now. It’s literally proven to improve employer health and work productivity.
Edit for anyone thinking this is impossible- tax the billionaires at 40% like we would tax a nurse 40% when they’ve worked a 65 hour week! Simple!
It will only ever be what someone allows it to be, change only comes from the dissociation of forced measure, and currently, social impact/status is used to force terrible work ethics on to desperate people.
Why do all news media have such god awful websites? Was it always like this? I stopped reading just to count how many adverts I saw after reading a paragraph; also what’s with this fear-mongering too?
When multiple studies have shown working improves with a 4 day week any company going the opposite way is just being evil for the sake of it.
Is this coming to the uk?
I mean, some Tories have been trying for a long time. Since Cameron’s first term. The issue is that this kind of work practice is currently blocked by the European Working Time Directive and rights granted to us under our Employment and Human Rights Acts. All overseen by the ECHR.
Britannia Unchained was the first public attempt to try and make this sort of practice a thing. When that failed to make a dent (because it was far too direct and honest in its toxicity). They are now trying a different tactic: erode those laws through the back door by claiming that they need to go to solve immigration.
Reform are now backed by the same think tanks and donors that backed Truss and co when they first peddled this.
Anyone who thinks that Reforms endgame in ditching all this Legislation for a ‘Bill of Rights’ is to make it better for working Britains, are quite frankly (I’ll put this nicely because apparently saying how it is makes them upset and support fascism out of spite): Misguided Silly Billies!
Going to be absolutely blunt on this: Any employer who tells me to do this can get fucked.
Employers should try paying their staff more if they want to see an increase in productivity.
If your company *routinely* operates on 996, it’s badly-managed and under-resourced.
Yeah probably. The ruling elite have decided that the improvements to the lifestyles of the working classes that took place in the 20th century were very much a bad idea and we should return to a Victorian way of life.
>these digits refer to the practice of working from 9am till 9pm every day, six days a week. Yes, that’s right: 12 hours a day, totalling 72 a week.
Nah. Not keen.
The sun will rise in the west, pigs will fly in formation, and hell will ice over thrice before I ever see a 12-hour shift, 6 days a week.
Looks like this is (one of the reasons) why they want to leave the ECHR. Looks like we’d better enjoy our liberties and human rights while we can. They’ll be gone with the next government
It seems the UK is trying its damnedest to be as awful as the US rather than looking to other European countries for inspiration. For example the nordics.
It will be once Reform get to power and reopen the mines
What happened to AI taking everyone’s jobs?
Oh we have to work longer and more days now? While the AI makes music and art and automates all the creative things humans are supposed to enjoy.
I can do 955, and that’s about the limit without some serious compensation for the extra time
The shareholder will be very pleased that they are getting maximum value from their underpaid employees.
I do this already (two full time jobs, one salaried and one self-employed) and it’s exhausting. You have to have lots of energy and *really* enjoy what you do. This is definitely not a good model for the vast majority of people.
*The only good 996 is a Ducati 996.*
Next time someone suggests leaving the ECHR, this is the stuff they really want to do. They just want our human rights protections removed so they can treat us like cattle.
Employee protections are the single largest target for the anti-ECHR lobby, but they’ll lie and tell you it’s immigration-related or the death penalty for paedoes. Don’t fall for it.
We literally fought tooth and nail for decades for an 8 hour work day and a 5 day work week.
Genuinely feudalist policy.
Workers trying to move to 4 day weeks, much more remote and hybrid working.
Some company „best i can offer you is 9am till 9pm every day, six days a week“
Betteridge’s law of headlines. Very few people are likely to do this, and companies would soon find out that forcing people to do it might work in China and maybe the US but it won’t work here and certainly won’t in the EU.
China now, like Japan in the early 00s (and still South Korea) has little in the way of productive work for most of the extended hours people are in the office. Decisions may be made, work may be done, but it all needs revisiting in later days and weeks because exhausted people make poor choices.
One of the many issues in in China now is that the perception of commitment is based on visibility, and to be visible, you need to be in the office. But no amount of visibility will get you far if you’re not connected to the right people.
I have absolute faith Farange will win the elections thanks to US money and wil try his best to implement and push this along with his tech bros cronies and Russians oligarchs best buddies.
>Surely we should be harnessing tech to work smarter, not harder, rather than allowing profiteering tech bros to line their pockets with human suffering?
If Reform get in and bring immigration to zero while deporting huge numbers of workers, I expect this kind of pattern will become a lot more necessary.
Imported slavery was cancelled, let’s do localised slavery instead. That’s the direction we’re heading in.
„Tech will make work easier“
Except that heads will be cut, and you’ll end up working **more** to cover the non-existent people who don’t work there to increase profits.
It’s always been the play of capitalists everywhere.
Tech-bro’s are no different, if not even worse, given their constant to desire to build cults-of-company and cults-of-leadership (Tesla, SpaceX, Google, Amazon, Oracle, Microsoft are all guilty of this).
That would make our productivity problems way worse.
They mean returning to the UK, that is what Victorian Britons worked
I’d like to think that this will never be a possibility here, because we are a sane nation that won’t work ourselves to death… but then again there are just too many people that seem to enjoy punishing themselves and bending over backwards to please their bosses for it to not ever come here.
I don’t mind doing overtime when required, but any company that tried to enforce this on me would face me resigning once I’d found an alternative. I don’t think most British workers would accept this, even with financial compensation for the extra hours.
😂No thanks. Good luck getting people to have more children if you’re making them work that much.
The reality is if you’re running 12 hrs a day 6 says a week as a company, your goals and roadmap and expectations are fucked. This is a company problem.
Reform win
Leave ECHR
Scrap the Minimum Wage
Get everyone in entry level jobs, couriers, amazon warehouses and retail doing 996 for the equivalent of 5 quid an hour
?????
Profit (… For the 0.1%)
One of the shittiest things I’ve noticed since Brexit is that a lot of formerly 9-5 professional roles are now 9-6.
How does that work for a family?
Two parents working 72 hour weeks are paying huuuuge child are costs.
One parent working 72hr week and another only being able to work within school hours (so likely not a great career move) or again pay for more childcare.
Or just two parents working a total 75-80 hour week.
The latter is 5% more productive and means both parents can maintain a career.
No chance! I have been part retired at 2 days a week for a few years. It’s excellent!
I fully retire at the end of the year and have booked my remaining holidays through December so my last working day is the third.
THAT is acceptable working hours!
> Chinese labour laws dictate that a standard workday is eight hours, with a maximum working week of 44 hours
When China labour laws dictate less work than a new “trend” that is being suggested, I think that says everything you need to know about it.