>BC Ferries has said no Canadian shipyards bid on its procurement. But Seaspan and Davie Shipyards have both said publicly that they did not participate in part because the bidding process favoured foreign shipyards.
How about we unpack how precisely this bidding process favoured foreign shipyards? Is it because they expected the ferries to be delivered on time and not sometime after B.C. builds up a new shipyard at public expense and waits decades for critical infrastructure their economy relies on daily?
DeathCabForYeezus on
> The report, commissioned by North-Vancouver based shipyard Seaspan in 2023, outlines how thousands of jobs and billions in economic revenue were possible for the province under a plan to phase in construction of seven new C-class major vessels locally,
Seaspan commissioned report says if Seaspan built the ferries, they have had all these benefits.
Awesome. Fantastic. Did Seaspan bid?
> Seaspan has also said it was too busy to build all the BC Ferries ships due to ongoing work with the Canadian Navy and Coast Guard.
How is this still „issue“ still going on and on and on?
The local shipbuilder who said they „should“ have been the ones making them says they wouldn’t have the capacity to make them even if they had bid.
But don’t let reality get in the way of a good scandal.
PolloConTeriyaki on
Maybe we don’t concentrate our shipbuilding capacity to just two shipyards. The article lays a out a lot of theoreticals but I bet you dollars, they didn’t have time to build the Ferries.
UnionGuyCanada on
We couldn’t have built them, and didn’t bid, but if you had given us unlimited money, we would have wasted billions and delivered them, eventually.
Sounds like a real argument about how crooked this process is.
If we really need this capacity, do it as a nationalized company. If it isn’t that strategic of a necessity, get over it.
_Lucille_ on
being able to build the ship and also being able to build it at a competitive price and quality are two different things.
I too can build you a ferry, just give ma a few billions and a couple of years to set things up.
Schrodinger_cube on
Between lack of capacity and objectively has a pour record of delivering projects this big on time and on budget then Chinese, Korean or Japanese shipyards. this looks like a political presentation than anything of value, truth is Canadian ship yards are not competitive globally and would rather make it a domestic political issue than being capable to deliver such a product. Considering how low labour cost are on massive ticket products like ships is not because labour is more expensive here than Chinese yards but the companys here do not manage the projects as well and don’t invest as much as global competition.
jello_sweaters on
>**The report, commissioned by North-Vancouver based shipyard Seaspan** in 2023, outlines how thousands of jobs and billions in economic revenue were possible for the province under a plan to phase in construction of seven new C-class major vessels locally, in the process creating a homegrown maritime shipbuilding industry.
So the company that refused to bid unless they were given wide room to cost more „because Canada“ commissioned a report that says IF the federal government gave them billions of dollars in subsidies, they MIGHT be able to somewhat partially compete with the foreign shipyards they hate for receiving millions of dollars in government subsidies.
Available-Worry1605 on
In WWII, we were turning out 1 warship A DAY with, respectfully, housewives who hadn’t picked up a wrench in their lives 6 weeks earlier. I find it incredible how we can’t do anything anymore.
Duckriders4r on
Baahaaa no. They were not available because they are already busy. How many different ways do we have to say the same thing.
grooverocker on
This shouldn’t be an issue. The company that issued this report didn’t even bid on the ferry contract because they were too busy with other projects. That’s their own statement.
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>BC Ferries has said no Canadian shipyards bid on its procurement. But Seaspan and Davie Shipyards have both said publicly that they did not participate in part because the bidding process favoured foreign shipyards.
How about we unpack how precisely this bidding process favoured foreign shipyards? Is it because they expected the ferries to be delivered on time and not sometime after B.C. builds up a new shipyard at public expense and waits decades for critical infrastructure their economy relies on daily?
> The report, commissioned by North-Vancouver based shipyard Seaspan in 2023, outlines how thousands of jobs and billions in economic revenue were possible for the province under a plan to phase in construction of seven new C-class major vessels locally,
Seaspan commissioned report says if Seaspan built the ferries, they have had all these benefits.
Awesome. Fantastic. Did Seaspan bid?
> Seaspan has also said it was too busy to build all the BC Ferries ships due to ongoing work with the Canadian Navy and Coast Guard.
How is this still „issue“ still going on and on and on?
The local shipbuilder who said they „should“ have been the ones making them says they wouldn’t have the capacity to make them even if they had bid.
But don’t let reality get in the way of a good scandal.
Maybe we don’t concentrate our shipbuilding capacity to just two shipyards. The article lays a out a lot of theoreticals but I bet you dollars, they didn’t have time to build the Ferries.
We couldn’t have built them, and didn’t bid, but if you had given us unlimited money, we would have wasted billions and delivered them, eventually.
Sounds like a real argument about how crooked this process is.
If we really need this capacity, do it as a nationalized company. If it isn’t that strategic of a necessity, get over it.
being able to build the ship and also being able to build it at a competitive price and quality are two different things.
I too can build you a ferry, just give ma a few billions and a couple of years to set things up.
Between lack of capacity and objectively has a pour record of delivering projects this big on time and on budget then Chinese, Korean or Japanese shipyards. this looks like a political presentation than anything of value, truth is Canadian ship yards are not competitive globally and would rather make it a domestic political issue than being capable to deliver such a product. Considering how low labour cost are on massive ticket products like ships is not because labour is more expensive here than Chinese yards but the companys here do not manage the projects as well and don’t invest as much as global competition.
>**The report, commissioned by North-Vancouver based shipyard Seaspan** in 2023, outlines how thousands of jobs and billions in economic revenue were possible for the province under a plan to phase in construction of seven new C-class major vessels locally, in the process creating a homegrown maritime shipbuilding industry.
So the company that refused to bid unless they were given wide room to cost more „because Canada“ commissioned a report that says IF the federal government gave them billions of dollars in subsidies, they MIGHT be able to somewhat partially compete with the foreign shipyards they hate for receiving millions of dollars in government subsidies.
In WWII, we were turning out 1 warship A DAY with, respectfully, housewives who hadn’t picked up a wrench in their lives 6 weeks earlier. I find it incredible how we can’t do anything anymore.
Baahaaa no. They were not available because they are already busy. How many different ways do we have to say the same thing.
This shouldn’t be an issue. The company that issued this report didn’t even bid on the ferry contract because they were too busy with other projects. That’s their own statement.