Die Republikaner verbinden fälschlicherweise die Schließung an Demokraten, die in den USA die Gesundheitsversorgung für Einwanderer illegal wollen
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2025/oct/01/jd-vance/government-shutdown-Democrats-immigrant-healthcare/
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I want Democrats to start getting in front of cameras anywhere they can and start telling people that the Republicans are lying. Also highlight the fact that Republicans could blow up the filibuster if they really feel so strongly about passing the budget bill without compromising.
It will work because GOP has no problem straight up lying.
Yep. It’s being repeated across social media platforms and the associated press even labeled it as “democrats picking a fight.”
Once again, lies, corruption, and disinformation wins.
The corporate media will focus on 2 things in the next days and weeks:
1) They will frame the shutdown (subtle or aggressive) as the Democrats fault.
2) They will consistently fail to explain to the American people what the shutdown is really about.
They know if the American people have a good understanding of what’s at stake, it will look bad for Republikans.
This is a republican shutdown. Fully.
Just saw NBC’s Tom Llamas interview with John Thune about the shutdown.
Absolutely pathetic. I’d be ashamed if I was Llamas.
Llamas asks a good question. Thune rambles and lies. No follow-up of any kind from Llamas!! A complete corporate stooge.
Pitiful corporate media.
Yes, but it doesn’t matter.
They kicked out all the voters who were critical thinkers from the party for not capitulating to the Pedo Cheeto’s every whim.
It’s why MAGA redditors (real or bots) always make the same arguments and as soon as they can’t defend their point they do one of 3 things;
A. Run from the conversation.
B. Quickly block whoever they are debating with AFTER they spew their nonsense.
C. Retreat to their safe spaces where only people with specific flair can post. Snowflakes need their special place.
I always find it funny that they hate DEI everywhere EXCEPT when they get to choose where to implement it.
Didn’t they also say they were stealing all our jobs? Then they would have the same shitty employer healthcare.
Pedophiles shutting down the government. Fuck America
This is the Haitians eating dogs and cats strategy, while taxpayer bailouts are being doled out to enrich Argentina political class and well connected hedge fund managers…
This is the distraction needed, while the House is refusing to sit a dutifully elected House rep in order to stop the Epstein files being published…
The saddest part will be to watch how legacy media political hosts will amplify the GOP talking points to appear “fair minded”….
For the record, I do want immigrants to be able to get healthcare. Because I’m not a psychopath.
Who is actually stupid enough to believe this??
Oh, yeah, my mom. Because she has “sources” for news apparently.
I have been receiving text messages alluding to this for months, couldn’t figure out why the nonsense. So this disinformation angle is not something cooked up yesterday; it’s been planted over and over in MAGA heads, waiting for a situation where needed. In some sense, I have to give the GOP credit for being so resourceful. Not advocating for similar Dem tactics, but I hope at least SOME Dem plans are in preparation.
And every damn interview in a news show, the host counters with no, that’s not true, or that’s not correct, or you’re misrepresenting it, then…nothing. They just let the Republican spew the same bullshit, repeating what they said the first time.
They are trying to end the subsidies that make Obamacare work. Ignoring it would destroy health insurance for 22 million people
Does PolitiFact not do *Pants on Fire* ratings anymore or has the Trump era lowered the bar that far?
The vast majority of the lies they’ve spewed in the last decade would’ve qualified for the rating 15 years ago.
This is just a conservative ploy to justify kicking more Americans off healthcare.
Something concerning I’ve noticed when discussing this with people on social media the last 2 days is that conservatives seems to be under the impression that „alien“ inherently means you have done something illegal.
There is no distinguishing between people that are here illegals and those that aren’t – even after the distinction has been pointed out.
You’re either a citizen, or you’re here illegally. There is no in-between for these people, and they refused to acknowledge any other possibilities (because then their lie immediately falls apart)
Missouri and other states are revoking commercial drivers licenses of DACA recipients.
In order to meet DACA requirement you would of had to be, brought to the US as a minor, under 31 and living in the US for 5 years as of 2012.
Again, this is not about the „illegals“ they will be coming for everyone who does not agree with them.
Release the files!!
Illegal immigrants pay taxes. The fact they they *don’t* benefit from our Medicaid system is a preventable tragedy and worth shutting the government down over. Full stop.
Another distraction to protect Trump from justice.
No surprise, considering that MAGA Repubes got away with false claims that Haitians eat dogs and cats!
Why doesn’t the Republicans just make the bill public to prove the Democrats want healthcare for illegals?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
He switched today to claiming that the money is now going to insurance companies “not the people”. They’ll just keep trying bullshit until they run out of breath.
„…..And when truth is hard to discern, the untruthful benefit, analysts say. The phenomenon is widely known as „the liar’s dividend…“
Necessary to continue and call them out!
But republicans did send $20B to Argentina, a country who provides healthcare to all.
The sheer LIES our politicians are capable of vomiting out at every turn these days should make every single American furious. More than ever, because it’s quite literally destroying the country and our ability to live in a fair, democratic, united, balanced country
Might be controversial, but even if their claims were true, I would rather a few million immigrants get free healthcare using my tax dollars than have every single American be thrown back to the wolves of fully privatized health insurance. I’d even be willing to bet that costs us less in the long term.
Reagan gave undocumented people the [right to healthcare in 1986](https://www.cms.gov/medicare/regulations-guidance/legislation/emergency-medical-treatment-labor-act). It’s been in effect for 39 years. Nothing will change regardless of the outcome of shutdown negotiations
What haven’t they falsely accused Democrats of doing?
Illegal immigrants have become the right’s scapegoat for literally every problem because of how generalized they can be. They can be blamed for things like crime rates, increased cost of living, cultural insecurity, and welfare insufficiency.
And people will believe it because they’re foreign and often poorer than average, so people wanting to feel superior will believe anything that reinforces that idea.
If Democrats came out antagonizing the rich as much as Republicans antagonize immigrants, they’d never lose a close election again.
Democrats should respond by pushing a completely ridiculous lie as satire
Man, those guys would be so mad if they could read.
Trump, his entire administration, and all of his followers think like Pete Hegseth. And this is how he thinks:
In the book (American Crusade) Hegseth says „leftists“ have: „surrounded traditional American patriots on all sides, ready to close in for the kill: killing our founders, killing our flag, and killing capitalism“. Hegseth says he believes there are „irreconcilable differences in between the Left and the Right in America leading to perpetual conflict that cannot be resolved through the political process“. He I furthermore calls for an „American crusade“; he says the „hour is late for America.
Hegseth describes leftists, progressives and Democrats as the „enemies“ of freedom, the American constitution and the United States. Hegseth explicitly rejects democracy in his book, equating it to a leftist demand; „For leftists, calls for ‚democracy‘ represent a complete rejection of our system. Watch how often they use the word,“ adding: „They hate America, so they hate the Constitution and want to quickly amass 51 percent of the votes to change it“. He has also expressed support for election-rigging through gerrymandering, saying „Republican legislatures should draw congressional lines that advantage pro-freedom candidates – and screw Democrats“. Regarding violence, Hegseth writes „Our American Crusade is not about literal swords, and our fight is not with guns. Yet.“
He also says that conservatives must „mock, humiliate, intimidate, and crush our leftist opponents“ and to „attack first“ to deal with a left he equates with „sedition“. Hegseth has described progressives and Democrats as the „enemies“ of freedom, the U.S. Constitution, and America. Hegseth has said that victory for America includes the end of globalism, socialism, secularism, environmentalism, Islamism, genderism, and leftism, the last of which he refers to as a „false religion“ and „specter“ that views non-believers as „infidels“.
Republicans are a group of pedophile supporting racists that hate the USA.
In local news it’s always, „Democrats are doing this, democrats are doing that“ which is MAGATs on tv spewing their lies. They don’t move beyond that to explain that they are in charge. They just take the headline and go with it.
the truth is the repubs are using the shutdown to avoid the Epstein files
„the rules were that you guys weren’t going to fact-check“ — JD Vance, Oct 2024 VP Debate