What I can’t work out is why Kadri was found guilty of assault – given that he went to go and fetch a knife, before yelling „I’m going to kill you“ and then attacking Coskun, I don’t know why he wasn’t charged with attempted murder?
20 weeks as a suspended sentence seem *incredibly* light given what he did, as far as I’m concerned.
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>Greg Unwin, defending, said: „This was a response to a very unusual situation that Mr Kadri has demonstrated regret and remorse for.
>“His reaction was in the heat of the moment to what he perceived was a deeply offensive act on a holy book.“
„Heat of the moment“ is punching Coksun in the face immediately (which obviously is also unacceptable). It isn’t going somewhere else to retrieve a lethal weapon and then coming back to use it. His sentence seems astoundingly lenient.
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„Judge Adam Hiddleston handed Kadri a 20-week prison sentence, suspended for 18 months.“
This was the wrong outcome and sets a dangerous precedent that reactions with violence from one community is tolerated in the name of presevering their collective phantasies.
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Wasn’t the chap who burnt his own property fined a few hundred quid? Where as this chap, who went home, got a murder weapon and returned shouting ‚I’m going to kill you‘ has received a suspended sentence?
So in a practical sense the guy who damaged his own property has a more sever sentence than the guy who wanted to kill someone?
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„A Muslim man who attacked someone burning a Quran outside the Turkish consulate in London has been spared jail.
Moussa Kadri, 59, saw Hamit Coskun setting alight the text and shouted: „I’m going to kill you“ before slashing at him with a knife.“
What’s scary is that this was the response of a 59 year old man living in liberal London. Your everyday man, someone you could encounter in acts of daily life.
Yet, the judge was disturbingly blasé about his actions, like it’s a normal, typical response. It’s not – this verdict only serves to empower others, that acts of violence are acceptable under certain ideological systems.
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Remember that there was another deliveroo guy who stopped and kicked Coskun. There were two attackers. Police didn’t even try to catch the second guy. The justice system has basically sent a message to the Islamic far-right that they can intimidate people to achieve what they want without any consequences.
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I’m honestly more surprised if people get jailed for violent crimes tbh.
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The man that burned the quran is Turkish. As a Turk there’s many of us that despise islam for what it did to our country. Religion is being used to justify anything and everything. I want the government to take a hardline approach to these fanatics.
Turkish economy sucks? – We built 1000s of new mosques
Minimum wage only covers average rent? – Learn to sukran (be grateful, god knows all)
Lakes are drying and water supply issues? – The non believers have angered our god
Thinking of voting for another party? – You are a heretic and want to destroy islam
Then there’s the thousands of imam hatip schools, where students are brainwashed and mainly taught about islam. After they graduate, they get priority on civil service jobs. Idiots that can’t do basic maths are assigned accountancy roles.
Plus SO SO much more. Which is why I’ll vote reform, I don’t care what kind of chaos it will bring, because I’ve lived through the islamification of Turkey from a Secular state. It looks like its not an issue, you make small compromises and then suddenly you’re engulfed and can’t fight back.
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>A Muslim man who attacked someone burning a Quran outside the Turkish consulate in London has been spared jail.
>Moussa Kadri, 59, saw Hamit Coskun setting alight the text and shouted: „I’m going to kill you“ before slashing at him with a knife.
>He later told police he was protecting his religion, Southwark Crown Court heard.
>Judge Adam Hiddleston handed Kadri a 20-week prison sentence, suspended for 18 months.
Some of you may remember this one, [as the victim was charged and fined as well](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9v4e0z9r8o#:~:text=On%20Monday%20he%20was%20found,of%20Islam%20and%20its%20followers%22.), for burning the Quran. It triggered a few conversations on here about free speech, protest, and the right to offend a religion.
What I can’t work out is why Kadri was found guilty of assault – given that he went to go and fetch a knife, before yelling „I’m going to kill you“ and then attacking Coskun, I don’t know why he wasn’t charged with attempted murder?
20 weeks as a suspended sentence seem *incredibly* light given what he did, as far as I’m concerned.
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>Greg Unwin, defending, said: „This was a response to a very unusual situation that Mr Kadri has demonstrated regret and remorse for.
>“His reaction was in the heat of the moment to what he perceived was a deeply offensive act on a holy book.“
„Heat of the moment“ is punching Coksun in the face immediately (which obviously is also unacceptable). It isn’t going somewhere else to retrieve a lethal weapon and then coming back to use it. His sentence seems astoundingly lenient.
„Judge Adam Hiddleston handed Kadri a 20-week prison sentence, suspended for 18 months.“
This was the wrong outcome and sets a dangerous precedent that reactions with violence from one community is tolerated in the name of presevering their collective phantasies.
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Wasn’t the chap who burnt his own property fined a few hundred quid? Where as this chap, who went home, got a murder weapon and returned shouting ‚I’m going to kill you‘ has received a suspended sentence?
So in a practical sense the guy who damaged his own property has a more sever sentence than the guy who wanted to kill someone?
„A Muslim man who attacked someone burning a Quran outside the Turkish consulate in London has been spared jail.
Moussa Kadri, 59, saw Hamit Coskun setting alight the text and shouted: „I’m going to kill you“ before slashing at him with a knife.“
What’s scary is that this was the response of a 59 year old man living in liberal London. Your everyday man, someone you could encounter in acts of daily life.
Yet, the judge was disturbingly blasé about his actions, like it’s a normal, typical response. It’s not – this verdict only serves to empower others, that acts of violence are acceptable under certain ideological systems.
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Remember that there was another deliveroo guy who stopped and kicked Coskun. There were two attackers. Police didn’t even try to catch the second guy. The justice system has basically sent a message to the Islamic far-right that they can intimidate people to achieve what they want without any consequences.
I’m honestly more surprised if people get jailed for violent crimes tbh.
The man that burned the quran is Turkish. As a Turk there’s many of us that despise islam for what it did to our country. Religion is being used to justify anything and everything. I want the government to take a hardline approach to these fanatics.
Turkish economy sucks? – We built 1000s of new mosques
Minimum wage only covers average rent? – Learn to sukran (be grateful, god knows all)
Lakes are drying and water supply issues? – The non believers have angered our god
Thinking of voting for another party? – You are a heretic and want to destroy islam
Then there’s the thousands of imam hatip schools, where students are brainwashed and mainly taught about islam. After they graduate, they get priority on civil service jobs. Idiots that can’t do basic maths are assigned accountancy roles.
Plus SO SO much more. Which is why I’ll vote reform, I don’t care what kind of chaos it will bring, because I’ve lived through the islamification of Turkey from a Secular state. It looks like its not an issue, you make small compromises and then suddenly you’re engulfed and can’t fight back.