As always: Distracting from internal problems by yelling at Germany.
Neither_Guava_8292 on
Good done, that was 80 years ago and the state that commited no longer exists.
hyxon4 on
I understand why we demand reparations, as there’s a historical and moral case for us. But at the same time, I can’t ignore that the president’s push for reparations isn’t really about justice. He’s just weaponizing history to inflame domestic tensions and send a symbolic message to the PiS electorate: “look, we’re sticking it to the Germans.” It’s less about genuine reparations and more about political theater.
Any-Original-6113 on
And how much money does the Polish president want from the Germans?
m4x1204 on
Its strange that they never demand reparations from Russia…..?
Former-Pain-8890 on
didnt poland took like 50% of nazi germany?
pappschlumpf on
Poland and the Soviet Union waived further payments in 1953 and confirmed that no further demands would be made. This was confirmed several times afterward. Apart from that, Poland received sufficient support from the major net contributors to the EU, especially Germany. Poland should be satisfied with that. There will certainly not be a single additional cent from Germany in the form of unjustified reparations.
templar54 on
The year is 2125. World is commemorating 20 years since the end of World War 4.
In other news, Germany yet again rejects WWII reparations bill from Poland.
Cyber_Fluechtling on
Bro has already got Silesia and Vorpommern…
Lord_Vacuum on
To the people wondering what the fuck is this about, let me explain. This is eastern negotiation strategy. You make absurd demands to recieve something smaller but tangible in the process of haggling. Sadly, Germany does not understands the game. Probably he wants something about EU, like the annulment of immigrant readmission act, maybe something about green energy, CO2 limits, MERCOSUR trade, or maybe discount on military purchase or more aggresive stance towards Russia. Who knows? There are many subjects inside EU and in Ukraine invasion that Poland and Germany are not seeing eye to eye.
dat_9600gt_user on
Who could’ve seen this one coming…
xy8Hazard8yx on
€1.5 trillion – In return Poland can give East Prussia (southern part), Silesia (Lower and Upper Silesia), Pomerania (Farther and parts of Western Pomerania) this included areas such as Szczecin (formerly Stettin), Neumark (part of Brandenburg east of the Oder), Lusatia (eastern parts) and some eastern areas of Lusatia back to Germany.
FlounderAdept2756 on
Jeez man, get over it and move on with your life mr „president“ ffs!
made3 on
As a German, I just read through the history and the only one Poland should be angry at is Russia… It’s so obvious it hurts. There was a contract and a plan made after war where the Soviet Union was supposed to distribute payment to Poland. You can’t start half a decade later with trying to get more money with a new contract. That’s not how this works.
You don’t buy a car and years later demand a discount.
Chorchapu on
I can see why Poland would want something maybe 10 or 20 years after but *80?* It’s been 80 years! Get over it bud
RevolutionaryWorry87 on
Did they not get reperations by taking Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia?
Extremely rich industrial regions
IDKWhatANameToPick on
The push for reparations is a nationalist-populist tactic by the Polish government (the president) to divert attention from internal problems.
Reparation claims have been rejected by Poland on multiple occasions. Whether this was done by the Peoples Republic of Poland or the Republic of Poland partly relevant (just as Germany is the successor to the Third Reich, the Republic of Poland is also responsible for the actions of the Peoples Republic of Poland).
I do not agree that our state should have to pay another state (which has repeatedly rejected reparations) 80 years later. Paland had many chances to (legitimetly) demand such reperations (even after breaking from the Soviet block). They homever didnt.
Furthermore, this proposal is not at all realistic. The German government would lack any internal support (from the population) for it. Such proposals just weaken our cooperation with poland, without solving any of the problems our countries face.
ChohacI3 on
why is pis always trying to piss off germany? I mean sure for internal gains and more voters, but is this not a little bit short lived. russia and belarus are right at the border and doing Military exercise, you would think thats a good time to not piss of your allies!? Regardless of this we should support Poland and all our eastern allies and give them every support they ask for – recent events just show that we need to do more, i was very happy that poland shoot down these russian drones invading their territory, i hope we in germany find the courage to do the same here.
TheRealGouki on
Send it to Russia.
Possible-Usual-9357 on
Poland did receive some reparations via the USSR under the 1945 Polish-Soviet Reparation Treaty, but it was controlled by the Soviets, limited, and ended in 1953 under coercion- Poland had no real sovereign choice. The 1953 renunciation wasn’t voluntary in a modern sense, and later treaties focused on borders, not reparations.
Poland suffered massive losses: 17% of its population, most major cities destroyed, huge economic and cultural devastation – far beyond what was delivered. Even if further reparations are unlikely, the history shouldn’t be cheapened. Deliveries happened, yes, but framing it as “Poland got what it was owed” ignores coercion, scale of loss, and moral responsibility.
I have a real disdain for this President, but he is a historian and he highlights a genuine sentiment of hurt that people are all too happy to gloss over because ‘boooo boring, poland at it again’.
For people with open minds: the material losses covered were maybe at around 5% the total material and economic damage, that it either arrived late, was stripped down or was controlled by Soviets. Even that fraction wasn’t delivered in a timely manner to help Poland at a time it mattered most to recover.
Actual losses: conservative estimate is around $50-100 billion in 1945 value, or roughly $1 trillion in today’s $$$
But that figure is still too small because back then that 1 trillion was orders of magnitude more impactful for economy
aeiparthenos on
My dad always said; reaching for the stars, but landing in the bushes.
You’re in the bushes Poland. It’s been almost a century.
Socmel_ on
Germany should set up an automated response when they get a call with a Polish country code
Germany can probably offer réparation for WW2 when Poland has to ask for A5 and Germany come over with different intentions then the last time their army came over?
mystique79 on
Pretty much a meaningless rhetorical game for decades now. *shrugs
UsedDevelopment4741 on
I am curious, has Poland ever asked about War reparations from Russia or the now called Belarus who sits on top of their formee territories?
Or they know who they are dealing with there, and that is not a topic worth discussing?
If anything is Poland who is on top of former german land right now, maybe they should be paying some kind of lease for that.
Trolololol66 on
Germany already paid multiple times worth of reparations to Poland via EU funds since they joined the EU.
PhoneBeginning on
I dont see Poland asking for war reparations from Russia.
Spokraket on
Can we Europeans try to prioritize the more urgent matters first? Like Russia for example?
After the Russia threat is over we can keep arguing over other matters for as long as it takes.
hpsndr on
Either Poland accepts the status quo or Germany will take the necessary measures in order to protect the Eastern EU border against the planned Russian invasion. Poland seems quite weak right now.
Sea-Oven-182 on
I’ll pay him 100€ to fuck off.
Last_Doctor2055 on
Yet they are in bed with current nazi israel. makes sense. and makes you think.
FiveFingerDisco on
Geben wir ihnen Sachsen.
Karlitu7 on
How much EU Money does Poland get, who pays the most into EU?
WungielPL on
At the very least they should give back all of the stolen pieces of art that are still in German museums and private collections.
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Didn’t Poland already get this via EU grants?
Only Israel gets money
As always: Distracting from internal problems by yelling at Germany.
Good done, that was 80 years ago and the state that commited no longer exists.
I understand why we demand reparations, as there’s a historical and moral case for us. But at the same time, I can’t ignore that the president’s push for reparations isn’t really about justice. He’s just weaponizing history to inflame domestic tensions and send a symbolic message to the PiS electorate: “look, we’re sticking it to the Germans.” It’s less about genuine reparations and more about political theater.
And how much money does the Polish president want from the Germans?
Its strange that they never demand reparations from Russia…..?
didnt poland took like 50% of nazi germany?
Poland and the Soviet Union waived further payments in 1953 and confirmed that no further demands would be made. This was confirmed several times afterward. Apart from that, Poland received sufficient support from the major net contributors to the EU, especially Germany. Poland should be satisfied with that. There will certainly not be a single additional cent from Germany in the form of unjustified reparations.
The year is 2125. World is commemorating 20 years since the end of World War 4.
In other news, Germany yet again rejects WWII reparations bill from Poland.
Bro has already got Silesia and Vorpommern…
To the people wondering what the fuck is this about, let me explain. This is eastern negotiation strategy. You make absurd demands to recieve something smaller but tangible in the process of haggling. Sadly, Germany does not understands the game. Probably he wants something about EU, like the annulment of immigrant readmission act, maybe something about green energy, CO2 limits, MERCOSUR trade, or maybe discount on military purchase or more aggresive stance towards Russia. Who knows? There are many subjects inside EU and in Ukraine invasion that Poland and Germany are not seeing eye to eye.
Who could’ve seen this one coming…
€1.5 trillion – In return Poland can give East Prussia (southern part), Silesia (Lower and Upper Silesia), Pomerania (Farther and parts of Western Pomerania) this included areas such as Szczecin (formerly Stettin), Neumark (part of Brandenburg east of the Oder), Lusatia (eastern parts) and some eastern areas of Lusatia back to Germany.
Jeez man, get over it and move on with your life mr „president“ ffs!
As a German, I just read through the history and the only one Poland should be angry at is Russia… It’s so obvious it hurts. There was a contract and a plan made after war where the Soviet Union was supposed to distribute payment to Poland. You can’t start half a decade later with trying to get more money with a new contract. That’s not how this works.
You don’t buy a car and years later demand a discount.
I can see why Poland would want something maybe 10 or 20 years after but *80?* It’s been 80 years! Get over it bud
Did they not get reperations by taking Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia?
Extremely rich industrial regions
The push for reparations is a nationalist-populist tactic by the Polish government (the president) to divert attention from internal problems.
Reparation claims have been rejected by Poland on multiple occasions. Whether this was done by the Peoples Republic of Poland or the Republic of Poland partly relevant (just as Germany is the successor to the Third Reich, the Republic of Poland is also responsible for the actions of the Peoples Republic of Poland).
I do not agree that our state should have to pay another state (which has repeatedly rejected reparations) 80 years later. Paland had many chances to (legitimetly) demand such reperations (even after breaking from the Soviet block). They homever didnt.
Furthermore, this proposal is not at all realistic. The German government would lack any internal support (from the population) for it. Such proposals just weaken our cooperation with poland, without solving any of the problems our countries face.
why is pis always trying to piss off germany? I mean sure for internal gains and more voters, but is this not a little bit short lived. russia and belarus are right at the border and doing Military exercise, you would think thats a good time to not piss of your allies!? Regardless of this we should support Poland and all our eastern allies and give them every support they ask for – recent events just show that we need to do more, i was very happy that poland shoot down these russian drones invading their territory, i hope we in germany find the courage to do the same here.
Send it to Russia.
Poland did receive some reparations via the USSR under the 1945 Polish-Soviet Reparation Treaty, but it was controlled by the Soviets, limited, and ended in 1953 under coercion- Poland had no real sovereign choice. The 1953 renunciation wasn’t voluntary in a modern sense, and later treaties focused on borders, not reparations.
Poland suffered massive losses: 17% of its population, most major cities destroyed, huge economic and cultural devastation – far beyond what was delivered. Even if further reparations are unlikely, the history shouldn’t be cheapened. Deliveries happened, yes, but framing it as “Poland got what it was owed” ignores coercion, scale of loss, and moral responsibility.
I have a real disdain for this President, but he is a historian and he highlights a genuine sentiment of hurt that people are all too happy to gloss over because ‘boooo boring, poland at it again’.
For people with open minds: the material losses covered were maybe at around 5% the total material and economic damage, that it either arrived late, was stripped down or was controlled by Soviets. Even that fraction wasn’t delivered in a timely manner to help Poland at a time it mattered most to recover.
Actual losses: conservative estimate is around $50-100 billion in 1945 value, or roughly $1 trillion in today’s $$$
But that figure is still too small because back then that 1 trillion was orders of magnitude more impactful for economy
My dad always said; reaching for the stars, but landing in the bushes.
You’re in the bushes Poland. It’s been almost a century.
Germany should set up an automated response when they get a call with a Polish country code
[A remarkable friendship ](http://americangerman.institute/2019/11/the-september-1952-reparations-agreement-between-west-germany-and-israel-the-beginning-of-a-remarkable-friendship)
Germany can probably offer réparation for WW2 when Poland has to ask for A5 and Germany come over with different intentions then the last time their army came over?
Pretty much a meaningless rhetorical game for decades now. *shrugs
I am curious, has Poland ever asked about War reparations from Russia or the now called Belarus who sits on top of their formee territories?
Or they know who they are dealing with there, and that is not a topic worth discussing?
If anything is Poland who is on top of former german land right now, maybe they should be paying some kind of lease for that.
Germany already paid multiple times worth of reparations to Poland via EU funds since they joined the EU.
I dont see Poland asking for war reparations from Russia.
Can we Europeans try to prioritize the more urgent matters first? Like Russia for example?
After the Russia threat is over we can keep arguing over other matters for as long as it takes.
Either Poland accepts the status quo or Germany will take the necessary measures in order to protect the Eastern EU border against the planned Russian invasion. Poland seems quite weak right now.
I’ll pay him 100€ to fuck off.
Yet they are in bed with current nazi israel. makes sense. and makes you think.
Geben wir ihnen Sachsen.
How much EU Money does Poland get, who pays the most into EU?
At the very least they should give back all of the stolen pieces of art that are still in German museums and private collections.