„Gleiche alte Abbrechenkultur“: Oxford Union -Präsident sollte seinen Platz wegen Charlie Kirk Kommentare nicht verlieren, sagt Badenoch LBC, erzählt LBC
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/same-old-cancel-culture-oxford-union-president-shouldnt-lose-his-place-over-char-5HjdD6R_2/
Von tylerthe-theatre
19 Kommentare
Wouldn’t be surprised if Badenoch isn’t even clued in who Charlie Kirk was.
I don’t agree with cancel culture. But that disagreement is outweighed by agreeing “what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander”.
This to me isn’t a free speech matter, of course people can say what they like but that doesn’t mean you’re exempt from consequences. The individual is entitled to say what they want but equally the union are able to decide who they want there and representing them.
He does not have a job, he has a position in a voluntary society whos entire purpose was to promote the free debate of ideas. He celebrates the murder of people because he has no emotional self control, no capacity to reflect on the wider implications of such actions. He is the perfect ambassador for where institutions like Oxford are going.
He shouldn’t lose his place, but he shouldn’t be president. Some would say he shouldn’t have even got into Oxford in the first place given his grades.
Good for Kemi. It is depressing how many oppose or support cancellation depending entirely on which side is being cancelled. This seems to be the position in America. Freedom of speech provided you say the right things. First it was the left cancelling those on the right, now (and sfaict, more effectively) it is the right cancelling those on the left.
And as Kemi points out, it is ironic that at least this Oxford chap had actually met Charlie Kirk.
It was just unbecoming for someone so prominent in a debating society.
Personal opinions of Kirk aside, he was murdered when offering public debate. So it’s hard to fathom why an Oxford Union President would celebrate or encourage this.
The argument for the Union president stepping down isn’t one of freedom of speech but one of suitability for the role. When you head the most visible debating society in the country, professing that murder is OK when a persons opinions conflict with yours shows that you are not the right person for the job IMO. If the Pope suggested that maybe they thought God was made up we wouldn’t defend him staying in role because of freedom of speech. Being free to say what you want doesn’t mean everything you say will make you suitable for your job.
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
He’s a 20-year old edgelord who got into Oxford (and ergo the Union Presidency) because of the colour of his skin, not his ABB grades. The guy is out of his depth academically and politically.
His speech about the need to bring down „broken“ institutions with violent means is more worrying imo. Sorry can’t find the original source but widely shared:
[https://x.com/Suffragent_/status/1966411211995513228](https://x.com/Suffragent_/status/1966411211995513228)
I’m sure it doesn’t take much for an institution to be deemed „oppressive“ by this guy, and therefore the people in it to be subject to violence.
For possibly the first time ever, I agree with Kemi Badenoch!
Yes he should. He debated Charlie then celebrated his demise. There’s a special place In hell for him, and these treasonous Tories. Bye bye Badenoch, you should have realised they set you up to fail.
He’ll still lose his job, she doesn’t realise what her and the other lots backers have started.
Got to love Badenoch also defending Musk on the same interview, despite the fact the current bunch in control
of America that are funding the UK’s similar demise, would see her and her parents removed and ‘sent back’ to her African roots..
Getting fired for celebrating death is not Cancel Culture.
I think he should lose his place on account of him being an ABB student. And if you saw any of the videos of his „debates“… it shows. It shows *badly*
she actually said something sensible, for a change…
I don’t agree. I think the fact he President he represents the Oxford Union. The fact they not removed him will do damage to their reputation
I think there is a difference here compared to if the „common“ person said this.
Do I think people should be celebrating Kirk’s death? No – Murder, especially in a public place and in that nature is something we should all condemn, regardless of politics. But do I also think people have the right to say things joking etc about it? Yeah I do, even if I wont myself.
Where this one crosses the line for me is this is supposed to be the next head of the Oxford Union, and when in positions of power or in the public eye, you don’t say these things in a public forum (whatsapp group I think it was?) and should be expected to behave in a different way that not only represents yourself, but the organisation you are part of in a positive way. Students looking to join the union may now feel that that’s the view of the entire group, and as a whole the entire group has been brought into dis-repute because of it. People have lost jobs for being caught cheating at concerts because of the brand damage, this is much worse.