In Charlie Kirk Show spricht JD Vance über das Vorgehen von liberalen Gruppen
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/15/us/politics/jd-vance-charlie-kirk-show.html
In Charlie Kirk Show spricht JD Vance über das Vorgehen von liberalen Gruppen
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/15/us/politics/jd-vance-charlie-kirk-show.html
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Far right winger killed by further right winger so the left must pay.
What liberal groups? The disorganized mess of anonymous Reddit and Twitter accounts that hurt their feelings?
Charlie Kirk= Horst Wessel for MAGAs
Don’t want to be called Nazis but sure do follow the same playbook
Seriously? We don’t even have groups…
It’s good to know that there’s, literally, fuck-all to the job of being Vice President that you can just vomit out a podcast in your „busy“ schedule.
The Democrats have been fighting for gun control for years.
Why not blame Charlie Kirk for his own death since he had been advocating against gun reforms?
Blaming the trans for his death is irresponsible because the killer isn’t even a Democrat. He was raised MAGA.
Should we label you as leftist ,Liberal or trans too JD Vance because there are pictures roaming around the internet showing you as a crossdresser?
What’s the end game here? You’re radicalizing your own demographic to the point they’ve take 2 pot shots at Trump and 1 got Kirk killed. Why double down and make things worse? Surely there is a strategy here?
I hate this pudgy little pedophile defender
|Evidence Item|Description|Relevance to Groypers|
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|Bullet Casing Markings|Unfired casings near the rifle used in the shooting were inscribed with „O Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Ciao, ciao!“ (lyrics from the WWII Italian anti-fascist anthem Bella Ciao) and an arrow symbol.|Bella Ciao is typically anti-fascist, but a version appears on a public Spotify playlist curated for Groypers, suggesting ironic adoption by far-right meme culture. The arrow has been interpreted by experts as potentially referencing Groyper symbology or the video game Helldivers 2 (popular in online right-wing gaming circles), though it’s ambiguous.|
|Halloween Costume Photo (2018)|A Facebook photo shows Robinson in a green-faced Donald Trump costume performing the „Slavic squat“ (a meme pose of a squatting figure with hands on knees).|The „gopnik“ or Slavic squat meme, often featuring a green Pepe the Frog (Groyper mascot), was adopted by Fuentes‘ group around 2018 to mock mainstream conservatives. While Pepe is broadly used in internet culture, this specific green variant and timing align with early Groyper aesthetics.|
|Reported Admiration for Nick Fuentes|During police interviews, Robinson allegedly told investigators he „admired Nick Fuentes and did not like Charlie Kirk because he was not conservative enough.“ Family members confirmed he had grown „more political“ in recent years and expressed disdain for Kirk at a family dinner before the event.|Fuentes, the Groyper leader, has a well-documented feud with Kirk dating back to the 2019 „Groyper Wars,“ where his followers disrupted Turning Point USA events, accusing Kirk of being a „Zionist gatekeeper.“ This mirrors the exact intra-right grievance Robinson reportedly voiced.|
|Online Presence and Subcultural Links| [FurAffinity.net](http://furaffinity.net/) Robinson was active in gaming communities (e.g., Halo, Call of Duty) and had a „furry fixation“ (linked to a account matching his usernames). Social media users have compiled images of him in meme-heavy posts, including potential Groyper references.|Groypers thrive in ironic, meme-saturated online spaces like Discord and gaming forums, often overlapping with „blackpill“ (nihilistic incel-adjacent) and furry subcultures. No explicit Groyper posts from Robinson have surfaced, but his „habitually online“ nature fits the profile.|
* Circumstantial but Suggestive of Far-Right Influence: The combination of anti-Kirk sentiments tied directly to Fuentes, Groyper-adjacent memes in Robinson’s history, and coded casings referencing their ironic playlist usage strongly indicates exposure to or sympathy with Groyper ideology. This fits a pattern of intra-conservative radicalization, where young men in conservative families (Robinson’s parents are registered Republicans; his father is a former law enforcement officer and minister) drift toward more extreme online factions frustrated with figures like Kirk. Experts like Rachel Kleinfeld (Carnegie Endowment) have noted the casings‘ symbology as „suggesting [he] was part of the Groyper movement.“
* Counterpoints and Ambiguities: Utah Governor Spencer Cox described Robinson as having a „leftist ideology“ based on family interviews, and anti-fascist markings (e.g., Bella Ciao) initially fueled left-wing speculation. However, these could reflect ironic Groyper trolling rather than genuine leftism—Groypers often co-opt leftist symbols for edginess. Robinson’s lack of party affiliation, transgender partner (who is cooperating with the FBI and claims no prior knowledge), and furry/gaming interests add layers of complexity, potentially indicating a „politically all over the place“ or „blackpill“ worldview rather than strict ideology. Fuentes himself has denounced the shooting as „pure evil“ and denied any links, calling speculation a „framing.“
You mean to tell me there were groups we could join this whole time? Are these like for knitting or gardening, or are they for more risqué activities, such as a book club?
Is there a sign up sheet? I’ll bring cookies.
I can’t even think of a solid comparable scenario on the left. Is this like if Whoopie Goldberg died and Kamala Harris transported her in Air Force 2 before hosting the View?
I’m so old I can remember when republicans would accuse Democrats of using tragedies to gain political advantage…
No crack down on right wing conservative groups?
Sounds like political oppression.
„We’re totally not fascist and authoritarian, but we’re going to use the power and resources of the state to go after any group or speech we don’t like.“
If there’s any hope, it’s that overplaying their hand like this — literally saying it outloud — will be their undoing.
Fuck him. He’s such a weak dick.
It’s real. You’re sliding into a dictatorship. This won’t stop here. There is no cavalry to save the day like in the old western movies.
Every day will be a next step and every next step it will be harder to undo. Reflect on the fact that almost 30% of the country wants to go in this direction and 30% doesn’t give a f*ck and you know what you’re up to.
The irony of talking about censorship on a platform that’s been accused of stifling dissenting voices is just delicious.
That’s the majority of people! How do they still not understand that they are the minority? Its gerrymandering and people not voting that gave them power not the majority agreeing with them.
I do however support making JD Vance the mouthpiece of the regime! With his totally human characteristics and complete lack of weirdness he is exactly what I want to see more of from them!
Does he fucking work? DODGE waste and fraud abuse right fucking here.
What the fuck is going on man
I just keep thinking of how Russian’s long time goal vis a via the US has been to sow internal division to take attention from influencing foreign affairs. They incite racial, and ethnic division to turn Americans against each other.
Trump is sowing division in an unprecedented way through deportations crack downs, sending the military into US cities, and turning politics into blood sport.
Combined with the deportation crack down, anti NATO talk, trade wars being declared on every country in the world, and complete deference to Russian aggression in Ukraine, I could not script a better outcome for Russia and a worse one for the USA.
How is not glaringly obvious to Americans?
Maga wants civil war and they’re going to make sure they get it.
A quick reminder that NYT betrayed all of us in the run up to the 2024 elections. They sanewashed Trump instead of doing their bloody jobs.
Reality is they did this for 2 reasons:
1 – their corporate overlords do not want to be on the wrong side of the Orange Menace
2 – Trump brings readership. Like the article we’re commenting. Biden was boring. Kamala would have been boring. Trump losing a second time meant no more Trump Outrage clicks. That’s a death sentence for much of the traditional media that caters to liberals.
Now they’re in their comfort zone: a moderate reasonable opposition medium for reasonable educated centrists. They’ll gently accompany us to a full blown dictatorship and make a buck in the process.
Fuck the New York Times.
Next election, I’m voting for the Democrat who advocates cracking down on conservatives and disenfranchising red states and communities. If that’s the game the right wing wants to play, let’s do it.
So, right wing violence is good but left wing violence is bad. I’m getting confused.
I don’t believe it is appropriate for a sitting vice President to host a dead guys extremist radio show but then I’m supposedly the crazy leftist.
Bring it the fuck on. Fucking snowflake ass nazis
Didn’t mention the Minnesota politician and her husband being assassinated while he was reading about political violence.
Right wing violence has taken more lives this year, yet crickets.
He called liberals “a small minority”
It’s more than half the country. What is he on about?
„we’re not nazis, we’re neo-nazis!“
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. – Benjamin Franklin
What groups? What ideologies? Hello! name these groups, show the language they use.
They cant, they dont exist. But we all know the KKK for example. How about the gop pedo club, since they wont release the files.
Because an alt-right shot Kirk?
It feels like they’ve already kinda missed their window to make this their Reichstag fire moment and legitimize (in their eyes) their crackdown on the opposition, thanks in part to Ka$h’s bumbling.
Reports of the suspect’s politics are contradictory and don’t seem to fall neatly on either side of the political spectrum, at least in a way that would be obvious to the average person.
No one who’s been paying attention is remotely surprised that Stephen Miller wants to use the power of the state to crush political opposition, but I don’t think this is going to give him the mandate he hopes it will.
Remind me which liberal group had him shot? Because I haven’t heard of one piece of evidence tying this individual’s action to a group or a group take credit for the man’s death.
This is fascism
The more that the right tries to police my reaction to Charlie’s death, the more negative things I’m inclined to say about him.
This basically proves that the Kirk show was just a propaganda arm of the administration, right?
I mean there no sense hiding it, first amendment, political violence has no place in… blah blah blah. But this just feels off.
A right winger killed a right winger, so crack down on liberals. Got it.