Der Angriff auf Polen ist eine Situation der NATO -Artikel 5. Die Allianz muss antworten
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/10/poland-nato-attack-article-5-response-ukraine-air/
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Der Angriff auf Polen ist eine Situation der NATO -Artikel 5. Die Allianz muss antworten
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/10/poland-nato-attack-article-5-response-ukraine-air/
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Article 4 was already triggered. I don’t think this is an article 5 scale event, but of course an alert defensive posture is probably wise.
It’s up to Poland to decide whether to ask for that. There’s some precedent for NATO itself triggering article 5 independent of the attacked member (contrary to popular belief, the USA did not trigger article 5 in response to the World Trade Centre attack) but it’s unlikely to be the case here.
Article 5, sure. Independent of the Article invoked, the response can still be „nothing“.
It only says „all countries may consider these drones as if they were attacking their own country and will support the attacked countries by all means“.
There is an Article 1 as well, you know.
Article 5. While it’s an attack on all, the action taken is individually determined by **each ally as they „deem necessary,“** which can include armed force. So yeah….it is not like, final solution to end something.
I don´t see any explanation about precisely what was allegedly being attacked by Russia and why?
I can see why Russia might want to fly over Poland en-route to Ukraine topass through a perceived weak air defence area on the Poland – Ukraine border.
I can also feasibly see it as a means of keeping EU/NATO Air Defence assets in Poland and not Ukraine
What I can´t see is precisely what Russia would have gained from a successful attack and why that would be worth incurring article 5 or other responses.
So: What were they allegedly attacking? Why did they feel they had to attack it and why was it worth incurring article 5? If this item was of such importance that it had to be attacked why was it attacked with a few slow moving easily spotted drones during a time of high alert in Poland?
Edit: I´ve only seen pictures of downed UAVs but no evidence of an explosion from a warhead going off which often occurs when these things are downed. It´s a 200kg warhead so not exactly easily missed.
This makes me think that it´s more likely a deliberate unarmed provocation to keep assets in Poland than it is an attack.
Some of these rightwing rags are absolutely foaming at the mouth for escalation
no its not , also article 5 dosent do what you think it dose
Article 5 no.. but close..
Russia can claim a miriad og issues that led to the drones wandering i to polish airspace
This is somewhat hyperbolic by the telegraph, but there need to be a response. In all certainty, NATO can be justified shooting down these drones before they reach allied territory now.
It’s only article 5 if Poland invokes article 5.
Personally I think the response should be that NATO closes down the airspace over Ukraine. By force.
We can always shoot them down with strong words. EU and NATO have plenty of stock of those
I genuinely believe, that if Russia actually invaded the Baltics, all of NATO would just shrug, send arms maybe and ask Russia nicely to leave. NATO is terrified of decimating its own economies to afford an actual war and would rather let Russia just do what it wants to the border regions and hope it leaves everyone else alone.
Send drones from every NATO members country into Russia for “ climate “ research. Let’s see what they do which will ultimately be nothing. They are in no position while struggling in a war with a country 1/3rd its size.
And still no waiting lines at the European recruiting station
What I don’t understand. If what Putin is doing is provoking war? Why should we put it on a platter? I mean, I don’t think that the non-response would necessarily be an act of weakness or cowardice, it would be an act of not giving in to Putin’s wishes and not doing exactly what he wants. No?
By the way, I also don’t trust those who want war at all costs.
Yes, of course, a strongly worded letter.
The combination of couch warriors and Russian trolls make these posts and comments unbearable.
Of course it’s another Russian provocation. Of course it requires a reaction. But unless an army of redditors, ideally 2-3 million of battle-hardened fighters, is willing to stand up and fight against Russia – literally fight, not with keyboards – can you please stop asking for a global war?
We take all European redditors that want Article 5 situation and send them to Ukraine. If they want to warmonger so much, they can go and fight. Show us normal EU people how it’s done.
You can go first to fight a war if you want
I’m all for closing Ukrainian airspace. Enough allowing Russian terror attacks on civilians.
What alliance? The biggest and most powerful member of NATO is now on Russia’s side.
Easy to start a war, very difficult to end it without losses. Cooler heads must prevail.
Bro nobody is gonna go at war with Russia over some small drones 😭
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Im all for doing more but It wasn’t an attack on Poland so that’s not going to happen. Even article 5 has caveats about proportionate responses if I remember correctly – which shooting them down as they passed through would probably fulfil anyway.
Why are so many treating this as having to pick between full war or „yet another stern letter“?
Something feasible in between could be e.g. shooting down any Russian drone or military aircraft X kilometers from a NATO border. Might seem like something that should have been done anyway, and I can agree with that, but it is still an escalating response that will make the Russian war effort more difficult and ensure greater NATO safety
No, the fuck it isn’t. It’s an article ***FOUR*** situation.
Why is everyone chomping at the bit to kick off another world war???
Now emphasize that strongly to your EU governments, telling them to stop buying Russian gas and taking millions of tax dollars contributed by Ukrainians living in the EU
Thats classic hybrid war from russia. The check the reaction – check the borders.
*takes off the cat eats and puts toy helmet on*
LET’S GOOOOOOOO
You need this 8===o not this :—• to respind
Man, the keyboard warriors in this sub really want WW3!
Russia is tied down in Ukraine. The response to these provocations is more money, weapons and foreign volunteers for that front.
Probably reasonable for NATO to increase its military presence in Eastern Poland and the Baltic and tighten the sanction screws some more.
I don’t think NATO will see this attack as big enough for an Article 5 response. It’s hard to tell currently how NATO will respond. But I do believe this is a deliberate attack from russia, perhaps to test the waters, to test NATO response time.
A very strongly worded letter is incoming. I bet Putin will be losing his mind over it.
There was no attack.
The response from Russia just shows how much they pussy out as soon as the talk gets tough. If NATO had some balls early on in the conflict rather than just ‚our hopes and prayers are with you, here’s a few Javelins‘ this wouldn’t have dragged out for the past 3+ years.
What is with this blatant warmongering.
Christ, NATO cannot dive into this over something pretty minor.
If nato pull the trigger this war will expand and thousands more will die.
It won’t be one show of overwhelming force and Russia will capitulate. It will be years of gruelling war in which Russia’s male population will be decimated. Russia itself will collapse which will lead to probably occupation or a policing action by NATO.
This is complete nonsense from what has become an increasingly barmy Telegraph.
The moment a NATO ally triggers Article 5 and it isn’t responded, the NATO will end overnight. It must be triggered very carefully and only when it’s appropriate, diplomacy should always be the first option.
Correct, the right course of action is a retaliatory one off strike on Russian positions in Ukraine.
It’s time for this “red line” to be crossed like all the other fake lines like giving Ukraine aircraft and tanks. Then maybe we can build up courage for an actual no fly zone.
Calm your tits and let the military advise on what to do. No need for inflammatory statements
Any Russian drone travelling in the direction of Europe must now be treated as a potential threat to Europe even if it is still over Ukraine.
Last night’s attack justifies a zero tolerance NATO policy for airborne Russian drones flying towards the west.