but will anything change… no, Carney and our two main parties will keep arms locked with the current Israeli government and let Israel get away with whatever they want.
Him saying that this could derail negotiations is incredibly naive. The Israeli gouvernement has shown time after time that they are not interested in a cease fire nor getting the hostages back, it is a pretense for their continued genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.
alexander1701 on
I think that while the politicians don’t like to say it, it’s been pretty clear for a pretty long time that the negotiations aren’t for real. The Netanyahu administration has been extremely clear in its public messaging that it’s not willing to accept a peace deal where Hamas remains in existence, and political analysts specializing in Israeli politics all concur that his coalition wouldn’t survive a peace deal like that. From the beginning they’ve been theater conducted because actually refusing to attend talks was more rhetorically damaging than the chain of withdrawn agreements that marked the first half of the conflict.
Using them like this as a way to gather people to target them, however, has far reaching consequences for diplomacy. Bombings of political and diplomatic meetings endanger the ability of third parties to engage in *real* negotiations by making it too risky for ranking officials to attend them. Qatar is useful as a diplomatic host for talks that have de-escalated conflicts throughout the region. Proving that they cannot guarantee the safety of the parties of these talks weakens them as a tool of international peace, and damages all of us who may fear what a more unstable middle east could bring.
Carney is right to speak out about this. We are not just a country standing alone, but a member of a community of nations. We rely on the systems of international diplomacy for our own safety and prosperity. But talk isn’t enough. Canada and our allies condemning these attacks need to do more than just express disapproval if we hope to actually deter this type of behavior. We need to seriously come together, and ask our allies in Europe what diplomatic directives and intelligence aid we can put together to limit the danger posed to the world by the Netanyahu administration.
Cilarnen on
> Prime Minister Mark Carney spoke out against Israel’s strike on the headquarters of Hamas political leaders in Qatar on Tuesday.
The HEADQUARTERS of Hamas.
These are *exactly* the kind of people we want killed. These weren’t civilians, these weren’t kids, these were the *terrorist* leaders, of an organization *Canada* has designated as a *terror* organization.
Our country. Sure others, but *our country* acknowledges Hamas are terrorists.
Carney got this one woefully incorrect, defending terrorists.
Sir__Will on
Talk means nothing. DO something. Canada, the western world really, is complicit in all this by continuing to support Israel. Obviously not to the extent of the United States is, but we are still supporting Israel and giving them legitimacy all the same. They should be sanctioned for what they’ve done and continue to do.
OkArrival9 on
This country literally blows up churches, kills Christians, steals their land and denies them basic human rights, in the birthplace of Jesus no less.
And you can’t even criticize them in CANADA, if you work in politics or the media you will lose your job for saying anything.
Intolerable is a word indeed.
Godzilla52 on
I’m honestly not sure how much farther Netanyahu & his coalition can stretch/exacerbate the conflict to stay in power at this point. Even the Israeli electorate has lost patience with them on this and they’re effectively digging a whole for any future Israeli governments over the next decade trying to go through with long-term normalization deals.
On top of that, Iran and it’s proxies are significantly weakened and Hamas & Hezbollah may never recover the offensive capabilities they’ve lost due to this current iteration of the conflict. Iran’s proxy network will probably never be as strong as it was prior to 2023, the hardliners in the regime have suffered huge losses in credibility due to Israel’s escalation and Israel probably can’t achieve much more militarily or politically by keeping the conflict going. In fact continuing just hurts Israel’s regional and international relations further since the argument in favor of escalation is getting thinner and thinner.
I know that Netanyahu’s farthest right coalition partners are using the conflict as an excuse to expand Israeli settlements and potentially annex Gaza, but that’s generally not worth jettisoning the normalization deals that Israel had in place prior to October 7th when Iran & co. disrupted it.
murjy on
We are defending Qatar now?
People in this sub never cease to disappoint me.
Do you even know anything about Qatar? There has been no bigger global sponsor of terrorism, and political Islamism in general than Qatar. Even Iran would come 2nd.
I swear to God some of you would defend the devil himself if it meant you get to diss Israel.
Jesus Christ man.
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but will anything change… no, Carney and our two main parties will keep arms locked with the current Israeli government and let Israel get away with whatever they want.
Him saying that this could derail negotiations is incredibly naive. The Israeli gouvernement has shown time after time that they are not interested in a cease fire nor getting the hostages back, it is a pretense for their continued genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.
I think that while the politicians don’t like to say it, it’s been pretty clear for a pretty long time that the negotiations aren’t for real. The Netanyahu administration has been extremely clear in its public messaging that it’s not willing to accept a peace deal where Hamas remains in existence, and political analysts specializing in Israeli politics all concur that his coalition wouldn’t survive a peace deal like that. From the beginning they’ve been theater conducted because actually refusing to attend talks was more rhetorically damaging than the chain of withdrawn agreements that marked the first half of the conflict.
Using them like this as a way to gather people to target them, however, has far reaching consequences for diplomacy. Bombings of political and diplomatic meetings endanger the ability of third parties to engage in *real* negotiations by making it too risky for ranking officials to attend them. Qatar is useful as a diplomatic host for talks that have de-escalated conflicts throughout the region. Proving that they cannot guarantee the safety of the parties of these talks weakens them as a tool of international peace, and damages all of us who may fear what a more unstable middle east could bring.
Carney is right to speak out about this. We are not just a country standing alone, but a member of a community of nations. We rely on the systems of international diplomacy for our own safety and prosperity. But talk isn’t enough. Canada and our allies condemning these attacks need to do more than just express disapproval if we hope to actually deter this type of behavior. We need to seriously come together, and ask our allies in Europe what diplomatic directives and intelligence aid we can put together to limit the danger posed to the world by the Netanyahu administration.
> Prime Minister Mark Carney spoke out against Israel’s strike on the headquarters of Hamas political leaders in Qatar on Tuesday.
The HEADQUARTERS of Hamas.
These are *exactly* the kind of people we want killed. These weren’t civilians, these weren’t kids, these were the *terrorist* leaders, of an organization *Canada* has designated as a *terror* organization.
Our country. Sure others, but *our country* acknowledges Hamas are terrorists.
Carney got this one woefully incorrect, defending terrorists.
Talk means nothing. DO something. Canada, the western world really, is complicit in all this by continuing to support Israel. Obviously not to the extent of the United States is, but we are still supporting Israel and giving them legitimacy all the same. They should be sanctioned for what they’ve done and continue to do.
This country literally blows up churches, kills Christians, steals their land and denies them basic human rights, in the birthplace of Jesus no less.
And you can’t even criticize them in CANADA, if you work in politics or the media you will lose your job for saying anything.
Intolerable is a word indeed.
I’m honestly not sure how much farther Netanyahu & his coalition can stretch/exacerbate the conflict to stay in power at this point. Even the Israeli electorate has lost patience with them on this and they’re effectively digging a whole for any future Israeli governments over the next decade trying to go through with long-term normalization deals.
On top of that, Iran and it’s proxies are significantly weakened and Hamas & Hezbollah may never recover the offensive capabilities they’ve lost due to this current iteration of the conflict. Iran’s proxy network will probably never be as strong as it was prior to 2023, the hardliners in the regime have suffered huge losses in credibility due to Israel’s escalation and Israel probably can’t achieve much more militarily or politically by keeping the conflict going. In fact continuing just hurts Israel’s regional and international relations further since the argument in favor of escalation is getting thinner and thinner.
I know that Netanyahu’s farthest right coalition partners are using the conflict as an excuse to expand Israeli settlements and potentially annex Gaza, but that’s generally not worth jettisoning the normalization deals that Israel had in place prior to October 7th when Iran & co. disrupted it.
We are defending Qatar now?
People in this sub never cease to disappoint me.
Do you even know anything about Qatar? There has been no bigger global sponsor of terrorism, and political Islamism in general than Qatar. Even Iran would come 2nd.
I swear to God some of you would defend the devil himself if it meant you get to diss Israel.
Jesus Christ man.