I am from Idaho. The Californians moving here are not Democrats. We had a Dem governor when I was a kid and now we are the hardest leaning maga state in the nation.
RadiantSlice6782 on
Folks love to bash red states but yet that is where everyone seems to be moving to
foggy_interrobang on
Weird; almost as though was some sort of national (maybe even global?) event that affected whether people needed to live in a metropolitan area, close to something like an office… 🤔
trackdaybruh on
As a Californian, I’ll give my insight of how crazy the demand and bidding is for housing here:
My house (located in socal) gets on average +30 offers a month to buy my house in cash and way above market value.
A family friend bought a house here for $2.7 million and in just 5 years that house is now worth $7.6 million. The equity that it built essentially paid off their mortgage in just 5 years
California needs to build more housing to meet the demand and decrease the bidding wars that’s driving up the housing prices
bareboneschicken on
Political power moves with those people.
VestOfHolding on
Oh good, this is much better than that other post that aggregated all of the data going back to the early 90s. Going back that far and aggregating it into one number per state to comment on modern housing needs is basically useless.
Though the note about Democrats building housing feels really disconnected from the chart. Why not include something about that in the data viz?
OkGene2 on
Not sure Housing is a problem that can be solved by democrats. Could be other things.
But yes ffs make it easier to build housing
FuckrodFrank on
Not surprising. Those places are awful.
RedWulf2182 on
There’s more than enough housing, problem is it’s owned by banks or by people using it for Airbnb
schi854 on
Hawaii is this high? what’s the problem there?
Vibes_And_Smiles on
Real ones saw the old version that wasn’t per capita
wessie73 on
Why are people moving to South Dakota and not North Dakota?
Vibes_And_Smiles on
This is the opposite of what I expected
bippityboop56754 on
Who the heck is moving to Arkansas unless forced to?
mr_ji on
Everyone in the other post was trying to discredit it because it wasn’t per capita, and here it is per capita…not much difference.
Hoggel123 on
Does this include renting?
greenpointart on
Pandemic trends are different from post pandemic trends. It’ll be interesting to see in a few years what, for example 2022-2026 data looks like.
ThatGuy798 on
Seeing Louisiana in such decline is big “consequences of our own actions”.
We bribe businesses to move here but they almost never hire in state workers and after a few years move ops away and blame some democrat politician(s) for it.
I’ll say this: before I got a job in Virginia a couple of years ago I strongly considered moving to Texas or Alabama.
CrazyCoKids on
Hon, most of the Californians moving to places like CO, IDaho, and SC aren’t democrats. :V
N8TM8T on
Can you make a version of this that is normalized for the population of each state? In it’s current form, I believe that if a state has a low population, its coloration would be more strongly affected by a migration of 1000 people than a state with a large population would.
ChrisFromLongIsland on
Its basically impossible to build anything on Long Island. No one wants denser building. Its extremely hard to build anything in NYC since its basically all built to current zoning. There is very little support for new buildings. Go upstate and you can build here and there is think if you wanted to build 1,000 houses in a decent sized development people would go nuts and stop it. Plus the economics of NY are totally screwed up with the city and the wealthy suburbs. The taxes and regulations that the city and suburbs can pay make it very difficult for any true development anywhere else.
alexski55 on
Are any of these people regretting moving to southern Texas and Florida since it’s hot/humid af and only getting hotter?
brainspl0ad on
I was just in Montana and a friend of mine is trying to get me (and another friend) to move there. There wasn’t much to be desired while there aside from the views, but even then…meh. We also asked folks from there to convince us and give us reasons to move. They basically all said well, it’s open carry and it’s a great place to raise kids. Not much else. So I’m surprised it’s a higher rate of implants.
Done327 on
A lot of this comes from the way blue states build housing. Many liberal areas have a NIMBY mentality and refuse to build/incentivize low-income housing.
The zoning restrictions are insane as well that it makes it impossible to build a home in a place like California.
It’s simple supply and demand. When you put all these barriers to construct houses, fewer houses will be built which drives housing prices up.
Also, generally people just want to live in the south or somewhere warm right now. Y’all are sleeping on the great lakes tho and it shows.
Arkyguy13 on
I would be interested to see the last two years in comparison. Now that the huge migration to COVID has ended it would be interesting to see if the trend has changed at all.
LavaRacing on
There are enough empty houses to house all of our homeless population. Building more houses ain’t gonna fix jack shit.
Successful-Tea-5733 on
Is OP trying to imply that people are leaving blue states dunno lack of housing? As a TN resident who has welcomed tons of Californians, I can tell you they are leaving to escape the policies of those states. These folks I’ve met are as maga as you get. Many come here to start businesses.
Democrats need to stop playing culture wars and focus on solutions for families if they want to have success nationally.
sirmakster on
Looking at 2020-2024 period skews this data for moved due to political views and Covid-related job or location changes. I’m sure there are people from NY and CA moving to cheaper states but we may never find out what their share is. I’d be interested in seeing how this map looks for the last decade 2014-2024.
K04free on
Average American only cares about cheap housing and jobs.
Caring about politics, nice weather and lots of unique things to do is for the privileged.
Mueryk on
Wait……people are moving TOO West Virginia ? Did I read that right?
pup5581 on
MA makes sense being so high for those leaving.
We’re about to be parents and outside of the average house now at 700k in the state, daycare costs are #1 in the nation.
In Boston our 3 quotes were 32-33k a year for 1 child. If we had twins, we’d be gone this spring.
We will be leaving within the next 2 years. We aren’t rich and can’t afford it anymore. Need to not bleed for the rest of our lives
All the states outside of LA are the highest COL. What the hell is going on in Louisiana?
KratosLegacy on
I bet remote work has a significant effect on this. Getting paid high COL pay and moving to low COL areas is something a lot of people took advantage of until 4% of employers (being the largest ones) started mandating RTO.
Careful_Abroad7511 on
I live in South Carolina and the population of New Yorkers here has exploded since Covid. There was a few years of people moving down here, buying properties sight unseen for 15% over asking because their salaries had so much purchasing power here. Traffic is a complete gridlock because we’ve not really been able to scale up the city’s infrastructure to handle the increase.
I cannot afford to buy my parents starting home that they bought in 1988 for $89k, it’s now $820k. I’m in a well paying job for my area, but it’s not enough to buy a home.
It’s sucks because we get priced out of our own neighborhoods, and while some areas are nice and very gentrified we can’t really benefit from it because we’re all having to commute an hour away and our salaries haven’t really gone up to match.
Oh well, it’s life.
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I am from Idaho. The Californians moving here are not Democrats. We had a Dem governor when I was a kid and now we are the hardest leaning maga state in the nation.
Folks love to bash red states but yet that is where everyone seems to be moving to
Weird; almost as though was some sort of national (maybe even global?) event that affected whether people needed to live in a metropolitan area, close to something like an office… 🤔
As a Californian, I’ll give my insight of how crazy the demand and bidding is for housing here:
My house (located in socal) gets on average +30 offers a month to buy my house in cash and way above market value.
A family friend bought a house here for $2.7 million and in just 5 years that house is now worth $7.6 million. The equity that it built essentially paid off their mortgage in just 5 years
California needs to build more housing to meet the demand and decrease the bidding wars that’s driving up the housing prices
Political power moves with those people.
Oh good, this is much better than that other post that aggregated all of the data going back to the early 90s. Going back that far and aggregating it into one number per state to comment on modern housing needs is basically useless.
Though the note about Democrats building housing feels really disconnected from the chart. Why not include something about that in the data viz?
Not sure Housing is a problem that can be solved by democrats. Could be other things.
But yes ffs make it easier to build housing
Not surprising. Those places are awful.
There’s more than enough housing, problem is it’s owned by banks or by people using it for Airbnb
Hawaii is this high? what’s the problem there?
Real ones saw the old version that wasn’t per capita
Why are people moving to South Dakota and not North Dakota?
This is the opposite of what I expected
Who the heck is moving to Arkansas unless forced to?
Everyone in the other post was trying to discredit it because it wasn’t per capita, and here it is per capita…not much difference.
Does this include renting?
Pandemic trends are different from post pandemic trends. It’ll be interesting to see in a few years what, for example 2022-2026 data looks like.
Seeing Louisiana in such decline is big “consequences of our own actions”.
We bribe businesses to move here but they almost never hire in state workers and after a few years move ops away and blame some democrat politician(s) for it.
I’ll say this: before I got a job in Virginia a couple of years ago I strongly considered moving to Texas or Alabama.
Hon, most of the Californians moving to places like CO, IDaho, and SC aren’t democrats. :V
Can you make a version of this that is normalized for the population of each state? In it’s current form, I believe that if a state has a low population, its coloration would be more strongly affected by a migration of 1000 people than a state with a large population would.
Its basically impossible to build anything on Long Island. No one wants denser building. Its extremely hard to build anything in NYC since its basically all built to current zoning. There is very little support for new buildings. Go upstate and you can build here and there is think if you wanted to build 1,000 houses in a decent sized development people would go nuts and stop it. Plus the economics of NY are totally screwed up with the city and the wealthy suburbs. The taxes and regulations that the city and suburbs can pay make it very difficult for any true development anywhere else.
Are any of these people regretting moving to southern Texas and Florida since it’s hot/humid af and only getting hotter?
I was just in Montana and a friend of mine is trying to get me (and another friend) to move there. There wasn’t much to be desired while there aside from the views, but even then…meh. We also asked folks from there to convince us and give us reasons to move. They basically all said well, it’s open carry and it’s a great place to raise kids. Not much else. So I’m surprised it’s a higher rate of implants.
A lot of this comes from the way blue states build housing. Many liberal areas have a NIMBY mentality and refuse to build/incentivize low-income housing.
The zoning restrictions are insane as well that it makes it impossible to build a home in a place like California.
It’s simple supply and demand. When you put all these barriers to construct houses, fewer houses will be built which drives housing prices up.
Also, generally people just want to live in the south or somewhere warm right now. Y’all are sleeping on the great lakes tho and it shows.
I would be interested to see the last two years in comparison. Now that the huge migration to COVID has ended it would be interesting to see if the trend has changed at all.
There are enough empty houses to house all of our homeless population. Building more houses ain’t gonna fix jack shit.
Is OP trying to imply that people are leaving blue states dunno lack of housing? As a TN resident who has welcomed tons of Californians, I can tell you they are leaving to escape the policies of those states. These folks I’ve met are as maga as you get. Many come here to start businesses.
Democrats need to stop playing culture wars and focus on solutions for families if they want to have success nationally.
Looking at 2020-2024 period skews this data for moved due to political views and Covid-related job or location changes. I’m sure there are people from NY and CA moving to cheaper states but we may never find out what their share is. I’d be interested in seeing how this map looks for the last decade 2014-2024.
Average American only cares about cheap housing and jobs.
Caring about politics, nice weather and lots of unique things to do is for the privileged.
Wait……people are moving TOO West Virginia ? Did I read that right?
MA makes sense being so high for those leaving.
We’re about to be parents and outside of the average house now at 700k in the state, daycare costs are #1 in the nation.
In Boston our 3 quotes were 32-33k a year for 1 child. If we had twins, we’d be gone this spring.
We will be leaving within the next 2 years. We aren’t rich and can’t afford it anymore. Need to not bleed for the rest of our lives
All the states outside of LA are the highest COL. What the hell is going on in Louisiana?
I bet remote work has a significant effect on this. Getting paid high COL pay and moving to low COL areas is something a lot of people took advantage of until 4% of employers (being the largest ones) started mandating RTO.
I live in South Carolina and the population of New Yorkers here has exploded since Covid. There was a few years of people moving down here, buying properties sight unseen for 15% over asking because their salaries had so much purchasing power here. Traffic is a complete gridlock because we’ve not really been able to scale up the city’s infrastructure to handle the increase.
I cannot afford to buy my parents starting home that they bought in 1988 for $89k, it’s now $820k. I’m in a well paying job for my area, but it’s not enough to buy a home.
It’s sucks because we get priced out of our own neighborhoods, and while some areas are nice and very gentrified we can’t really benefit from it because we’re all having to commute an hour away and our salaries haven’t really gone up to match.
Oh well, it’s life.