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    1. > and then they had to go and find the guy’s camera evidence and that took a few days, and then eventually they realised that it wasn’t me”.

      > A Manchester city council spokesperson said: “The council is now doing everything in its power to have the conviction set aside at the next available opportunity to avoid any action being taken against Mr Jones to recover the penalty.

      > “We do, of course, apologise unreservedly for any distress or inconvenience caused to Mr Jones.”

      False details provided by the offender, the council being slow and reluctant to verify his evidence, but then admitting they were wrong. Why they didn’t stop the prosecution seems like incompetence or it was too late to by the time they realised they were accusing the wrong person.

      In any case, apart of the distress caused, it looks like the council is doing everything to reverse the outcome and put things right.

    2. HitlerWasAnAtheist on

      Nice to see how „single justice procedures“ work…

      Looks like a judge just rubber stamps whatever is stuck in front of them.

    3. High-Tom-Titty on

      I’d like to see a pic of the person who did drop it, just so I know what the litter enforcement person meant by hat hair when recording the litterbugs description.

    4. Extra-Fig-7425 on

      On a semi related note, this is what facial recognition + AI worries me. If the whole chain of event was automated. There would be no human to say “that’s obvious wrong” and stop

    5. Visual-Economist5479 on

      How can he be convicted when the evidence is clearly wrong.

      I can understand the fine being issued to the wrong details if the actual offender lied, sure. But once disputed to go all the way to an actual conviction is ridiculous.

      Too overzealous for such a minor crime – need to review the whole thing and make some personnel changes.

    6. jodrellbank_pants on

      I had a parking fine from evil eye cameras, I gave them the chance as I told them it couldn’t be me as I was else where at the time.

      They refused because of the video evidence and took me to court, I showed the judge another legal parking ticket from another city 200 miles away at the same day. They paid my costs, but nothing else was done to the parking company as they didn’t admit liability.

      Four months later another ticket from the same numskulls, same thing happened again went to court but I had to fight to be heard as it was going to be heard in part of a ton of other ticket to save costs, they were just going to find everyone on mass. Same thing they paid costs after I showed another day ticket but as no one turned up who could help only a solicitor the judge didn’t seem to care,

      Im waiting for the next one as I know know what causes it now they have two entrances but only one camera, they refuse to fix the issue because they are catching a significant amount of local people out who have no evidence of being elsewhere.

    7. I agree with the idea of preventing littering, but the penalties for it are disproportionately harsh even when applied correctly unlike this case.

      Compare £433 for someone dropping a cigarette butt to £80 for burglary.

      Our justice system needs rebalancing, there are all sorts of examples like this at various parts of the spectrum of offending.

    8. What the problem is if you told them to fuck off and walked away when they tried to fine you, you would be alright as they have no real powers. But if you tried to be a good member of society you would be stuck with a £400 fine

    9. Regardless of this story, why do smokers in general, seem to think it’s okay flick their cig ends on the floor?

    10. tannercolin on

      Last summer in Bournemouth town centre I finished a roll up, chipped the cherry off and binned the stub. A guy came rushing over with a clipboard and started a pre-rehearsed speech about cigarette littering and my fine I was now liable for, for the cherry etc. A group of teenage lads was laughing, they said he’d been there for a while and was chomping at the bit waiting to see someone smoking. The teenagers told me to tell the clipboard fella to piss off, so I did. Clipboard fella went back to his spot in the trees, waiting for his next victim and hoping they don’t have similar protection of local teenagers hanging around.

    11. I remember when I didn’t pay for the bus in London one time on my way to work. I was broke.

      Everyone was getting checked getting off and unfortunately I was pulled to the side with a couple others.

      I admitted I hadn’t paid, and that I was just trying to get to work and desperately struggling to pay bills etc.

      The officer seemed understanding. Then it all went Pete Tong. The tone changed, I was pulled further to the side for further questions.

      The 2 other guys who got pulled aside had been flagged up for terrorist something or other, and one of the assholes said I was with them, and we all lived together.

      I was late for work, I was being asked all these questions about where I lived, who with etc.

      I tried to explain I didn’t know these guys. I wasn’t with them. I told the officer if he came with me I can open my flat and show all the relevant documents to show where I was living. So we did a little drive. I proved it. It was hours in the making. I kinda laughed and asked if there was any way I could show my employer proof of why I was late was a cockup on their behalf.

      The officer wrote out some terrorism form indicating how I had been apprehended on false charges and released without incident or something.

      The bosses face when I showed him the forms for why I was hours late to work was priceless.

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