Canadians have a right to be angry with Carney over this. Inviting a fascist like Roberts to come and speak is dangerous. It gives him legitimacy, and credibility, and he deserves none. This makes me concerned about Carney’s judgement, and I’m shocked he could come to the conclusion that Roberts was worthy of speaking to cabinet.
JarryBohnson on
Aside from being really fucking gross, this is also a total waste of time because even trump’s closest allies (you know, the ones we’ve been meeting with for months) have no idea what he’s going to do.
The only good advice here is “you’re negotiating with a malicious idiot who barely remembers what he said three days ago, good luck.”
There is no secret plan for what he wants, he’s telegraphing it constantly, it just changes daily because the man is a complete cretin. I heard someone the other day describe it as trying to play chess with a pigeon.
mummified_cosmonaut on
This is just silly, during Trump’s first term practically any entity with an interest in the United States was trying to get a meeting with Steve Bannon.
No-Analysis2839 on
Yeah I’m gonna have to pull the „imagine if Poilievre did this“ card here. Yet more evidence that Carney and Trump are aligned with each other.
daveisback0977 on
Going to grill my MP why this was even going to be a thing. I understand our leaders bring out of touch but this is wild.
WoodenCourage on
This is a very damning article.
> Despite his cancellation, Carney’s office confirmed the government intends to keep in touch with Roberts — a man who just last year claimed the United States is “in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”
> “Our team will continue further engagement and discussions with him and other leading U.S. policy figures soon, regarding Canada’s economic and security relationship with the United States,” Carney’s spokesperson said.
The continued engagement with him is troubling. Why? What value does he bring?
> There’s no reason to assume Roberts would set aside this crusade when he speaks to Carney and his ministers. They can’t trust anything he tells them — nor can they assume his words aren’t carefully chosen to plant some kind of nefarious seed in the minds of the Canadian government.
And this gets to the heart do the issue. We can’t even trust that he’ll be honest. We can’t trust that he will actually provide any objective and honest insight into the Trump Administration. And why would he? It’s in his best interest to not be honest at all and to use the situation to manipulate Canada’s government. Is this Cabinet seriously so arrogant that they think they can just outplay him?
> But according to one current Liberal staffer, Carney’s government doesn’t seem to be doing much thinking at all.
> “The way the Carney government seems to operate to me is ‘Act first, think later,’” said the staffer, who spoke to The Tyee anonymously because they feared career repercussions for speaking to media.
> “The communication to staff is poor, and we often have to rely on news to find out what is going on — which leaves us unprepared to respond to questions from constituents. The only way to get answers from higher-ups is to phrase it as ‘What can I tell constituents?’”
This completely contradicts the narrative that Carney and his team have tried to craft around him. They threw Trudeau under the bus as a reckless and impulsive leader. They also frame Poilievre as such. But Carney is the careful and intelligent negotiator who is always ten steps ahead. Yet, we haven’t really seen that and this insight suggests otherwise as well.
At some point people have to really actually consider the scenario that maybe Carney doesn’t know as much of what he’s doing as people thought. And his interests are not ones that actually will benefit Canadians. He’s completely iced out organized labour (which I find extremely incompetent given their insight into how best to help workers during this trade war is invaluable). His austerity will only come at the expense of the working class. His policies, even ones with massive spending, are really just cash handouts to private companies.
ragnaroksunset on
You know it’s been really illuminating to learn just how many left-of-center voters were just voting for a tie colour rather than a candidate who they knew and understood.
I admit, I naively thought this was mainly a right-wing sin.
boom0409 on
The outrage at this invitation is just ridiculous. The article starts out questioning what insights Kevin Roberts could possibly have then answers its own question: „Less than a month after Trump’s inauguration, Politico found 37 aspects of Project 2025 had already been implemented through executive orders.“
Trump isn’t taking orders from anyone, but he has been following a large part of the project 2025 playbook and many of the people associated with it are now in the US government. Roberts obviously has insight into this and his previous work has proven to be incredibly infouential. Project 2025 and Trump 2 are awful, but this isn’t about importing any of that into Canada, it’s about dealing with the reality south of the border.
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Canadians have a right to be angry with Carney over this. Inviting a fascist like Roberts to come and speak is dangerous. It gives him legitimacy, and credibility, and he deserves none. This makes me concerned about Carney’s judgement, and I’m shocked he could come to the conclusion that Roberts was worthy of speaking to cabinet.
Aside from being really fucking gross, this is also a total waste of time because even trump’s closest allies (you know, the ones we’ve been meeting with for months) have no idea what he’s going to do.
The only good advice here is “you’re negotiating with a malicious idiot who barely remembers what he said three days ago, good luck.”
There is no secret plan for what he wants, he’s telegraphing it constantly, it just changes daily because the man is a complete cretin. I heard someone the other day describe it as trying to play chess with a pigeon.
This is just silly, during Trump’s first term practically any entity with an interest in the United States was trying to get a meeting with Steve Bannon.
Yeah I’m gonna have to pull the „imagine if Poilievre did this“ card here. Yet more evidence that Carney and Trump are aligned with each other.
Going to grill my MP why this was even going to be a thing. I understand our leaders bring out of touch but this is wild.
This is a very damning article.
> Despite his cancellation, Carney’s office confirmed the government intends to keep in touch with Roberts — a man who just last year claimed the United States is “in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”
> “Our team will continue further engagement and discussions with him and other leading U.S. policy figures soon, regarding Canada’s economic and security relationship with the United States,” Carney’s spokesperson said.
The continued engagement with him is troubling. Why? What value does he bring?
> There’s no reason to assume Roberts would set aside this crusade when he speaks to Carney and his ministers. They can’t trust anything he tells them — nor can they assume his words aren’t carefully chosen to plant some kind of nefarious seed in the minds of the Canadian government.
And this gets to the heart do the issue. We can’t even trust that he’ll be honest. We can’t trust that he will actually provide any objective and honest insight into the Trump Administration. And why would he? It’s in his best interest to not be honest at all and to use the situation to manipulate Canada’s government. Is this Cabinet seriously so arrogant that they think they can just outplay him?
> But according to one current Liberal staffer, Carney’s government doesn’t seem to be doing much thinking at all.
> “The way the Carney government seems to operate to me is ‘Act first, think later,’” said the staffer, who spoke to The Tyee anonymously because they feared career repercussions for speaking to media.
> “The communication to staff is poor, and we often have to rely on news to find out what is going on — which leaves us unprepared to respond to questions from constituents. The only way to get answers from higher-ups is to phrase it as ‘What can I tell constituents?’”
This completely contradicts the narrative that Carney and his team have tried to craft around him. They threw Trudeau under the bus as a reckless and impulsive leader. They also frame Poilievre as such. But Carney is the careful and intelligent negotiator who is always ten steps ahead. Yet, we haven’t really seen that and this insight suggests otherwise as well.
At some point people have to really actually consider the scenario that maybe Carney doesn’t know as much of what he’s doing as people thought. And his interests are not ones that actually will benefit Canadians. He’s completely iced out organized labour (which I find extremely incompetent given their insight into how best to help workers during this trade war is invaluable). His austerity will only come at the expense of the working class. His policies, even ones with massive spending, are really just cash handouts to private companies.
You know it’s been really illuminating to learn just how many left-of-center voters were just voting for a tie colour rather than a candidate who they knew and understood.
I admit, I naively thought this was mainly a right-wing sin.
The outrage at this invitation is just ridiculous. The article starts out questioning what insights Kevin Roberts could possibly have then answers its own question: „Less than a month after Trump’s inauguration, Politico found 37 aspects of Project 2025 had already been implemented through executive orders.“
Trump isn’t taking orders from anyone, but he has been following a large part of the project 2025 playbook and many of the people associated with it are now in the US government. Roberts obviously has insight into this and his previous work has proven to be incredibly infouential. Project 2025 and Trump 2 are awful, but this isn’t about importing any of that into Canada, it’s about dealing with the reality south of the border.