Prominent pro-mass immigration leftists* tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse.
Fixed dat headline for them.
Thetonn on
I think in the same way that a lot of the far right are overstating the case, this letter and the left more generally end up adopting an at best naive and more cynically delusional position on the topic.
It seems relatively obviously self evident to me that importing en-masse a large number of young men from primarily regressive countries when it comes to sexual politics, putting them into vulnerable communities without much entertainment or anything else and making them wait for months on end, will inevitably end up having a higher level of sexism and sexual abuse.
In the absence of clear data, the answer should be to get more data and to present it transparently, without bias, in order to inform the public.
In my view, the worst case scenario is another grooming gangs style situation where the political mainstream delude themselves into believing the world they want to exist, and the far right massively increase their credibility when it turns out there was an issue there.
Thandoscovia on
If the right wingers don’t listen to Diane Abbott or Zarah Sultana, could they ever be convinced?!
If Sarah Pochin tells lefties to link migration to the sexual abuse of women, would the left listen?
Deltaforce1-17 on
It is interesting that the right wing only seems to care about sexual abuse when brown lads are doing it.
And there was no condemnation when it came out that 40% of the rioters nicked last year had been reported for domestic violence.
dbxp on
IIRC usually this sexual abuse fell on working class/poorer women so having wealthy women announce this seems like downplaying the issue. Reminds me a lot of issues in American feminism where it’s rightly criticised for being ran by coastal middle class white woman and largely ignoring everyone else.
Intrepid_Solution194 on
The doors were opened to this by mainstream parties making a big song and dance about ‘violence against women and girls’ for votes.
The far right are doing the same thing, except with their own spin.
Prominent U.K. women should have made it known that they disagreed with the politicisation of crimes against women/girls earlier; now it’s all just a part of the game.
MDK1980 on
Pretending it isn’t a problem won’t make it go away.
huntsab2090 on
Yeah link it to the renonces since 40% of them are domestic abusers at the least
9e5e22da on
I suppose everything looks great from the top of their ivory towers. It’s a shame we can’t all afford to live far far away from the problems the we plebs face.
MDFHASDIED on
I bet none of those women would walk alone in a migrant camp. Not a single one.
McShoobydoobydoo on
SA is a horrific offence and shouldn’t be used to score political points, especially by a group of tards who don’t give a fuck about SA victims but who do give a fuck about spewing bile about anyone with a hint of melanin in their skin
PapaJrer on
You know what, I was somewhat concerned by this issue, but my mind is at ease now I know what Paloma Faith and Charlotte Church think…
Inthepurple on
If it’s so clear, let us see the data, it will surely resolve the issue immediately
Commercial-Silver472 on
What qualifies these prominent women to say there’s no link?
Environmental_Move38 on
Just ignoring the voices of less privileged women affected by rape and violence that may have been victims by foreign men isn’t going to work anymore. You can’t ignore that it doesn’t happen and doing nothing about it.
Things will change and speaking about things that some people find uncomfortable is just unfortunate for them.
no_fooling on
Andrew tate and his ilk have more to do with mens attitudes towards woman than immigration.
Its not some senegalese persons fault that little george hates women.
MD564 on
It’s almost as if women have been saying this since the „stop the boats“ gang started up
KasamUK on
Now then people. They have at least stopped blaming white working class girls for the abuse they suffered.
Mongolian_Hamster on
ITT: People who didn’t read the article.
Essentially stop limiting sexual abuse discussions. White men are not absolved.
ArcticAlmond on
This gives the impression of a bunch of left-wing women complaining that they’ve lost the narrative on migration.
The Right aren’t making this shit up. People know it’s a problem. They seem the headline about the sex crimes being committed regularly. These women just don’t like that it’s becoming a wider talking point, and that their cries of „Noooo…you don’t understand the wider, socio-economic factors at play that led to that little girl getting gang raped.“ aren’t getting the same cut-through with the public that they once did.
pintofendlesssummer on
prominent UK women telling other British women what we already know doesn’t take away from the fact other cultures have the bare minimum respect, if any, for any women is not making any woman or girl feel safer.
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Prominent pro-mass immigration leftists* tell rightwingers: stop linking immigration to sexual abuse.
Fixed dat headline for them.
I think in the same way that a lot of the far right are overstating the case, this letter and the left more generally end up adopting an at best naive and more cynically delusional position on the topic.
It seems relatively obviously self evident to me that importing en-masse a large number of young men from primarily regressive countries when it comes to sexual politics, putting them into vulnerable communities without much entertainment or anything else and making them wait for months on end, will inevitably end up having a higher level of sexism and sexual abuse.
In the absence of clear data, the answer should be to get more data and to present it transparently, without bias, in order to inform the public.
In my view, the worst case scenario is another grooming gangs style situation where the political mainstream delude themselves into believing the world they want to exist, and the far right massively increase their credibility when it turns out there was an issue there.
If the right wingers don’t listen to Diane Abbott or Zarah Sultana, could they ever be convinced?!
If Sarah Pochin tells lefties to link migration to the sexual abuse of women, would the left listen?
It is interesting that the right wing only seems to care about sexual abuse when brown lads are doing it.
And there was no condemnation when it came out that 40% of the rioters nicked last year had been reported for domestic violence.
IIRC usually this sexual abuse fell on working class/poorer women so having wealthy women announce this seems like downplaying the issue. Reminds me a lot of issues in American feminism where it’s rightly criticised for being ran by coastal middle class white woman and largely ignoring everyone else.
The doors were opened to this by mainstream parties making a big song and dance about ‘violence against women and girls’ for votes.
The far right are doing the same thing, except with their own spin.
Prominent U.K. women should have made it known that they disagreed with the politicisation of crimes against women/girls earlier; now it’s all just a part of the game.
Pretending it isn’t a problem won’t make it go away.
Yeah link it to the renonces since 40% of them are domestic abusers at the least
I suppose everything looks great from the top of their ivory towers. It’s a shame we can’t all afford to live far far away from the problems the we plebs face.
I bet none of those women would walk alone in a migrant camp. Not a single one.
SA is a horrific offence and shouldn’t be used to score political points, especially by a group of tards who don’t give a fuck about SA victims but who do give a fuck about spewing bile about anyone with a hint of melanin in their skin
You know what, I was somewhat concerned by this issue, but my mind is at ease now I know what Paloma Faith and Charlotte Church think…
If it’s so clear, let us see the data, it will surely resolve the issue immediately
What qualifies these prominent women to say there’s no link?
Just ignoring the voices of less privileged women affected by rape and violence that may have been victims by foreign men isn’t going to work anymore. You can’t ignore that it doesn’t happen and doing nothing about it.
Things will change and speaking about things that some people find uncomfortable is just unfortunate for them.
Andrew tate and his ilk have more to do with mens attitudes towards woman than immigration.
Its not some senegalese persons fault that little george hates women.
It’s almost as if women have been saying this since the „stop the boats“ gang started up
Now then people. They have at least stopped blaming white working class girls for the abuse they suffered.
ITT: People who didn’t read the article.
Essentially stop limiting sexual abuse discussions. White men are not absolved.
This gives the impression of a bunch of left-wing women complaining that they’ve lost the narrative on migration.
The Right aren’t making this shit up. People know it’s a problem. They seem the headline about the sex crimes being committed regularly. These women just don’t like that it’s becoming a wider talking point, and that their cries of „Noooo…you don’t understand the wider, socio-economic factors at play that led to that little girl getting gang raped.“ aren’t getting the same cut-through with the public that they once did.
prominent UK women telling other British women what we already know doesn’t take away from the fact other cultures have the bare minimum respect, if any, for any women is not making any woman or girl feel safer.