She is right. We need cooperation and communication. Alone we have no chance of being relevant in a world of giants. The EU needs to build one voice towards the outside.
WhitexMeteor on
She’s not wrong…without a clear strategy the EU risks becoming a spectator in a US-China dominated world.
Unnamed-3891 on
US innovates, China duplicates, EU regulates
Muted-Aioli9206 on
She’s not wrong. EU doesn’t even have serious AI companies, while American and Chinese models are competeing head to head.
I_Will_Be_Brief on
Is this true, empirically? It seems to me that this continent has the highest quality of life and the happiest citizens. What exactly are we trying to achieve?
ILikeYourMommaJokes on
EU could have many many many startups in ai and other teh sectors, but thanks to all the regulations and taxes, majority of even remotely successful startups pack their bags and instantly move to California after getting money invested into them
designbydesign on
We shouldn’t chase „relevance“ and try to copy others. We should see what’s important to us and reach these goals.
Felix-LMFAO on
But not everything is lost. The EU and other European countries we still walk with together (looking at you UK), have a gigantic economy and cultural influence. Even though there this pessimism inside and that disparagement from outside, we have a lot we can use to improve.
Gambit723 on
This should be a wake up call
Putaineska on
Then why did you sign up for a US trade deal that secures Europes future as a vassal of the US?
Regardless the EU is doomed to irrelevance when it can’t support Ukraine without going with a begging bowl to the US, can’t defend itself so has to agree to a one sided deal with Trump to keep the US invested in European security.
It is a sad state of affairs.
Embarrassed-Fault973 on
I really don’t like a lot of her politics, but she is making a lot of valid points in terms of identifying the economic stumbling blocks, and she’s correct about Europe needing to play to its strengths and being much more dynamic.
I think in some ways what concerns me about aspects of the EU is that it often feels like the core establishment tends to ignore the more dynamic parts – often places that have developed very quickly and are much more likely to be ducking, diving and innovating, yet the older, often very slow moving larger members tend to dominate policy. It sometimes means you end up with policy that reflects conservative economic instincts and large national lobbies – “Diesel Gate” is an excellent example, a large industry lobby distorted policy away from EVs to protect its status quo. Then when the market moved fast elsewhere they were left trying to scramble to catch up.
I also think the way we handled the post 2008 crash still haunts a lot of places, with a lot of “you must take your austerity medicine” policies that have in many regions just prolonged the illness.
Europe needs to also be very careful that the loudest voices bring acted upon can tend to be the ones taking court cases and exerting themselves through expanding regulatory and legal systems. You can end up with a system driven by complaints and legal cases, rather than by innovative and active policy making.
We’re also facing into a world where the U.S. and China will just bend, ignore or change rules to suit their national interests, assuming that everyone’s going to play by the rules in fair trade isn’t really something you can take granted since Trump.
userforums on
The 30+ year future will be determined by birthrates. Even undeveloped countries have now collapsed in birthrates. With Latin-America approaching birthrate levels of Asia.
* E/SE Asia will begin having median ages of 60+ by 2055. Society will unravel with these demographics.
* US will be fine for a while due to having the second highest birthrate among developed countries along with immigration.
EU should reorient public spending into young families rather than elderly. EU TFR is falling faster than the US. Only Nordic countries appear stable.
Whoever solves this problem will lead the second half of this century.
Dotcaprachiappa on
Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point
HauntingCreamCookies on
Many of us can see the writing on the wall, but the question is whether we have what it takes to make the difficult decisions necessary to claw our way out of this mess. Relentless pessimism won’t do us any good.
6gv5 on
Stating the obvious after repeatedly genuflecting to Trump and never daring to go anywhere further the stale „unacceptable“ comment of the genocide going on in Gaza.
She’s a joke of a leader, but she’s good at communication, which sadly brings a lot more points these days.
Professional-Pin5125 on
US is committing geopolitical suicide and it is China, not the EU, that is filling the power vacuum.
estanten on
“Irrelevance” is putting it very mildly
Acidspunk1 on
How many times has this been posted now?
Smarackto on
YEA THATS YOUR FAULT. right wingers are dooming us
secded69 on
is that reddit propaganda bubble shit
Pastelhearty on
Europe has the talent and resources, it just needs the political will to compete globally
Individual-Zombie226 on
Yet most decisions made by EU keep favouring either US big tech or China.
Android is open source, fork it and deliver to normal people some phones with android but with EU tech / apps instead of everything google.
Same goes for IT infrastructure and software. Stop using AWS and others and push for EU countries tech
schtickshift on
The EU should not have caved in to Trump. Next time around China will bully them into a bad deal.
Albryx765 on
And she’s doing absolutely nothing about it. She’s wasting tax payer money, removing welfare and meeting with Musk to talk about „AI“. She’s a knobhead.
Everybody can make good points, very few people have good solutions.
Plus, she’s wrong about US dominated. As of right now, China has a much brighter prospect than US. The US will eventually be left behind if they continue their meaningless autarchy.
MrAlagos on
>The real challenge is a Europe that does less, but does it better
>After decades in which we outsourced European security to the United States — at the cost of an inevitable political dependency — we must be willing to pay the price of our freedom and our independence
At least she is fully open to the bullshit and complete hypocrisy that her politics are. When it comes to boiling things down even she cannot acknowledge the contradiction.
How can the EU do less but at the same time do much more in defence? And beware, Meloni’s bullshit is the same in any kind of political matter. Always against more European integration yet the first to cry about united efforts when she is unwilling to take national responsibility for something. This is nothing more than election propaganda guys.
Disastrous_Berry_572 on
Is this about AI again? If so, I don’t mind Europe sitting it out.
NO_LOADED_VERSION on
It’s so weird that the far right populist , fascist adjacent Italian is turning out to be one of the strongest speakers for EU unified power.
Bulawayoland on
well that’s just great
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She is right. We need cooperation and communication. Alone we have no chance of being relevant in a world of giants. The EU needs to build one voice towards the outside.
She’s not wrong…without a clear strategy the EU risks becoming a spectator in a US-China dominated world.
US innovates, China duplicates, EU regulates
She’s not wrong. EU doesn’t even have serious AI companies, while American and Chinese models are competeing head to head.
Is this true, empirically? It seems to me that this continent has the highest quality of life and the happiest citizens. What exactly are we trying to achieve?
EU could have many many many startups in ai and other teh sectors, but thanks to all the regulations and taxes, majority of even remotely successful startups pack their bags and instantly move to California after getting money invested into them
We shouldn’t chase „relevance“ and try to copy others. We should see what’s important to us and reach these goals.
But not everything is lost. The EU and other European countries we still walk with together (looking at you UK), have a gigantic economy and cultural influence. Even though there this pessimism inside and that disparagement from outside, we have a lot we can use to improve.
This should be a wake up call
Then why did you sign up for a US trade deal that secures Europes future as a vassal of the US?
Regardless the EU is doomed to irrelevance when it can’t support Ukraine without going with a begging bowl to the US, can’t defend itself so has to agree to a one sided deal with Trump to keep the US invested in European security.
It is a sad state of affairs.
I really don’t like a lot of her politics, but she is making a lot of valid points in terms of identifying the economic stumbling blocks, and she’s correct about Europe needing to play to its strengths and being much more dynamic.
I think in some ways what concerns me about aspects of the EU is that it often feels like the core establishment tends to ignore the more dynamic parts – often places that have developed very quickly and are much more likely to be ducking, diving and innovating, yet the older, often very slow moving larger members tend to dominate policy. It sometimes means you end up with policy that reflects conservative economic instincts and large national lobbies – “Diesel Gate” is an excellent example, a large industry lobby distorted policy away from EVs to protect its status quo. Then when the market moved fast elsewhere they were left trying to scramble to catch up.
I also think the way we handled the post 2008 crash still haunts a lot of places, with a lot of “you must take your austerity medicine” policies that have in many regions just prolonged the illness.
Europe needs to also be very careful that the loudest voices bring acted upon can tend to be the ones taking court cases and exerting themselves through expanding regulatory and legal systems. You can end up with a system driven by complaints and legal cases, rather than by innovative and active policy making.
We’re also facing into a world where the U.S. and China will just bend, ignore or change rules to suit their national interests, assuming that everyone’s going to play by the rules in fair trade isn’t really something you can take granted since Trump.
The 30+ year future will be determined by birthrates. Even undeveloped countries have now collapsed in birthrates. With Latin-America approaching birthrate levels of Asia.
[https://x.com/BirthGauge/status/1951748625983484066](https://x.com/BirthGauge/status/1951748625983484066)
* E/SE Asia will begin having median ages of 60+ by 2055. Society will unravel with these demographics.
* US will be fine for a while due to having the second highest birthrate among developed countries along with immigration.
EU should reorient public spending into young families rather than elderly. EU TFR is falling faster than the US. Only Nordic countries appear stable.
Whoever solves this problem will lead the second half of this century.
Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point
Many of us can see the writing on the wall, but the question is whether we have what it takes to make the difficult decisions necessary to claw our way out of this mess. Relentless pessimism won’t do us any good.
Stating the obvious after repeatedly genuflecting to Trump and never daring to go anywhere further the stale „unacceptable“ comment of the genocide going on in Gaza.
She’s a joke of a leader, but she’s good at communication, which sadly brings a lot more points these days.
US is committing geopolitical suicide and it is China, not the EU, that is filling the power vacuum.
“Irrelevance” is putting it very mildly
How many times has this been posted now?
YEA THATS YOUR FAULT. right wingers are dooming us
is that reddit propaganda bubble shit
Europe has the talent and resources, it just needs the political will to compete globally
Yet most decisions made by EU keep favouring either US big tech or China.
Android is open source, fork it and deliver to normal people some phones with android but with EU tech / apps instead of everything google.
Same goes for IT infrastructure and software. Stop using AWS and others and push for EU countries tech
The EU should not have caved in to Trump. Next time around China will bully them into a bad deal.
And she’s doing absolutely nothing about it. She’s wasting tax payer money, removing welfare and meeting with Musk to talk about „AI“. She’s a knobhead.
Everybody can make good points, very few people have good solutions.
Plus, she’s wrong about US dominated. As of right now, China has a much brighter prospect than US. The US will eventually be left behind if they continue their meaningless autarchy.
>The real challenge is a Europe that does less, but does it better
>After decades in which we outsourced European security to the United States — at the cost of an inevitable political dependency — we must be willing to pay the price of our freedom and our independence
At least she is fully open to the bullshit and complete hypocrisy that her politics are. When it comes to boiling things down even she cannot acknowledge the contradiction.
How can the EU do less but at the same time do much more in defence? And beware, Meloni’s bullshit is the same in any kind of political matter. Always against more European integration yet the first to cry about united efforts when she is unwilling to take national responsibility for something. This is nothing more than election propaganda guys.
Is this about AI again? If so, I don’t mind Europe sitting it out.
It’s so weird that the far right populist , fascist adjacent Italian is turning out to be one of the strongest speakers for EU unified power.
well that’s just great