Quebec plant, das öffentliche Gebet zu verbieten, um den Säkularismus zu stärken
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-public-prayer-quebec-secularism-roberge-legault/
Quebec plant, das öffentliche Gebet zu verbieten, um den Säkularismus zu stärken
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-public-prayer-quebec-secularism-roberge-legault/
36 Kommentare
I’m ok with that.
Quebec is so weird sometimes.
For non-Canadians, the key issue is the government’s threat to use the ‘Notwithstanding’ clause under the Canadian constitution.
This clause allows governments to declare a law valid that otherwise would be illegal, I.e. ‘notwithstanding this law is contrary to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms’.
This clause is a Canadian solution to a Canadian problem BUT is designed to be used minimally given the controversy that its use entails.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_33_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_33_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms)
Don’t they have more important things to worry about, like housing and the overwhelmed medical care system? Is this random weirdness or a way to target a group they dislike legally?
Gross. What is wrong with Quebec that they feel the need to micromanage their people so roughly?
Let me guess – Christmas trees are secular and not religious, but menorahs for Channukah are religious.
I’m all for removing forced religious teaching/ practices from society…but outlawing people from doing it in public does NOT seem like the right move.
That’s kind of fucked up no?
What is it about the act of prayer that makes it such an atrocious offence to others?
I’m not religious but I couldn’t careless if someone decides to pray lol wtf are we doing
How do you even enforce this?
>You were praying in a group
No I wasn’t.
>Your sign says national prayer day protest
So?
I say this as a non-religious person. This is stupid, regardless of the reasoning behind it.
To people wondering, it searches mainly to ban using public places like parks, public squares and even roads from having religious spontaneous prayers. It has happened where certain religions groups have randomly decided to start a public prayer using megaphones, loud speakers right in the middle of parks
This is amazing. Won’t have to step over Mecca mats in the park or public wherever they feel entitled to worship
Congrats, religious folks, now you actually get to be oppressed like you always claimed you were.
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
we have real inefficiency and corruption issues and the elected party is distracting the population with fake issues because annoying Montreal, the English speaking, the non white, and the non atheist and non catholic is what got the party elected. So they’re playing the „Let’s make up a false problem caused by people from a group y’all don’t have in your small town“.
The line between a prayer and other activitied is so slim.
If I gather 5 to 6 friends and start doing yoga and it becomes our religion. I’m not allow to do yoga in public?
What is consider a prayer? So the people that pray insolence on a public bench would be illegal?
I don’t get restriction of freedom when it doesn’t involve other. To me people who modified their cars for more noise are more bothersome (almost cult like) then people praying in a park.
Good, that community is insufferable.
Strengthen secularism by understanding that it is not your business to bother someone respectfully doing their own thing in public even if it is religion.
Can someone who lives in Montreal explain this s**t? Are there people literally blocking streets praying?
It’s a thorny issue.
The real question is when does „public prayer“ become activism?
There are groups that deliberately try to cause issues with their prayer (blocking streets, interrupting other events, outside of other religious buildings, etc) and then cry „religious persecution“ when they are asked to move.
Quebec has a habit of coming down too hard on one side of an issue (go habs on busses for example) which makes this particular juncture with keeping an eye on.
Thank goodness for all of those hours and public money devoted to reviewing and planning how to tackle this pressing issue in the daily lives of Quebecers.
Without their valiant effort, there would be… well… um… I mean, surely something would… errr… I mean the devastating impact of public prayer is obvious! Just look around you, the chaos speaks for itself!
Next week, I fully expect the National Assembly to turn its attention to the equally dire question of whether Walmart should be forced to rebrand as Marché de Mur.
Yeah better not see anyone praying in a park when I’m trying to celebrate my ST JEAN BAPTISTE day.
Chu vraiment content qu’on focus sur ça et non sur la crise de logement.
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Yet another reason why I want to move to Quebec
Will this apply to the people ranting about their interpretation of god on loudspeakers outside metro stations? Because those are the people actually bothering me, not a collection of people bowing down in a park or empty classroom.
For people who don’t know, secularism is central to Québec identity. During the Quiet Revolution, (1960’s) Québec moved from Church control to a secular state, religion became private, government neutral. Today, this shapes policies like Bill 21, which bans teachers, police, and judges from wearing religious symbols at work, to keep public institutions “neutral.”
The rest of Canada should follow suit ban public prayers nationwide.
Right move. Keep that weirdo cult magik shit in your own house. I don’t want my kids seeing it. How am I supposed to explain to my children that grown ass adults believe in magic?
Thank goodness, some common sense. This is good news.
Bien
A total violation of our charter of rights and freedoms.
Hallelujah!
Let’s all gather in a public square and praise Jesus for this victory for secularism!
What about a religious based festival or something though? There’s Christmas parades, other regions have holy days where they have a parade or an event in a public space. I get trying to curb a disruptive thing like prayer in the middle of the street without proper permits, but I’m all for allowing people to have their celebrations. Some of them are very fun to attend.
Good move – nothing more insufferable that having to endure superstition in public settings.
Matthew 6:5-6 .. And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the street to be seen by others. Truly, I tell you, they have received their reward. But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you“.
So no blessing the waters at Theophany?
It won’t strengthen secularism, it will weaken personal freedom.
Wonderful!
If only the rest of the western world would follow…