Die Ukrainer kehrten von der georgischen Grenze zurück
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/08/25/ukrainians-returned-from-georgian-border-say-they-were-taken-straight-to-military-enlistment-office-en-news
Von duckanroll
Die Ukrainer kehrten von der georgischen Grenze zurück
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2025/08/25/ukrainians-returned-from-georgian-border-say-they-were-taken-straight-to-military-enlistment-office-en-news
Von duckanroll
22 Kommentare
RIP
Ok?
Nothing says democracy like forced conscription and [beatings](https://busification.org/)
EDIT: for all those keyboard fighters who like to claim that „forced conscription is normal in democracy“
UN Human Rights Committee views denial of providing alternative to mandatory conscription (conscientious objection) as potentially violating freedom of thought, conscience, and religion (ICCPR Art.18)
Additionally, the European Court of Human Rights (aka the Strasbourg Court) requires the presence of such alternatives in all Council of Europe states (Bayatyan v. Armenia, 2011), *which Ukraine is part of*
So yes, it’s not legal according to international law. *Even after turning a blind eye* on [press gangs and beatings](https://busification.org/), which clearly violate basic human rights
Serious Q: Given the vast majority of new recruits in the Ukrainian army are placed in the Infantry because it has the highest casualty rates and given the life expectancy for infantry is….not great would it even be legally possible for an EU nation to force someone to go to Ukraine?
As I recall one of the key aspects preventing someone being deported to a nation is if there is a reasonable likelihood of them being harmed. There seems to be ample evidence to make this point.
This may be the ugliest part of war. Im not saying conscription is bad or good but we’ve all seen the videos and they are not an easy watch, seeing a mother hold onto there son as they are dragged off to war. Thats a tuff watch.
After Napoleonic wars when mass armies appeared, there are only two ways to fight: mercenaries (what Russia is doing now) and conscripts (what Ukraine is doing now).
In all senses, it’s much better to have a mercenary army than a conscript army, with one huge drawback: mercenaries cost money. A lot of money. And if you don’t have money to pay – like Ukraine doesn’t – then conscripts are the only option.
It’s weird to see reddit neckbeard saying that people not wanting to fight should do so, quite a sad state.
This business of forced conscription is an ugly but necessary part of war unfortunately. You just can’t have your cake and eat it.
Ideally you would have either no mobilisation or full mobilisation not this partial conscription which tends to be seen as unfair and where you end up with a lot of people who don’t want to pull their weight. On the other hand the economy and the country need to keep going and I understand why they can’t afford a full mobilisation. At the same time, if you are an exhausted front line vet, would you want to serve next to a guy who tried to avoid being conscripted and clearly doesn’t feel like being there?
Who should defend Ukraine then, if not able bodied Ukrainians?
Able-bodied Men AND women should be fighting.
novayagazeta.eu 😂😂
The most reliable, unbiased source of information of course!
No one should be forced to fight for a nation if they don’t want to.
Why doesn’t the Ukrainians that left for Europe/US and keep supporting the war…don’t return and join the front?
Ukraine has made a bad case.
Everyone who wanted to return to Ukraine will now think about why they should do it.
Should be relevant to the convo: novayagazeta, the name of the website, means “new newspaper” in russian, just so that people understand who spreads these news.
I hate these comments. „we are in Nato and we are not afraid of aggression, but we will tell you Ukrainians that it is right to go to war and die“.
Please stay out of the mobilization topic if it doesn’t concern you and you don’t understand what the majority of Ukrainians think about it now.
Tankies enjoying this one i see
The fact that the majority of people look the other way, simply because they support Ukraine’s war effort, despite the countless of videos out there of Ukrainian recruiters beating the shit out of men who are either dodging conscription or had their medical exemption reevaluate so that they’re fit for military service is on par with people who put on their blinders when it comes to the genocide in Gaza.
Until the last Ukrainian
Sorry, if Ukraine is lacking soldiers and their men don’t want to fight, that doesn’t look good for other countries trying to support Ukraine.
Fight for your own country or else it’s a goner.
A majority of the world’s countries have laws to do this. In reality far more countries do this daily without it making the news.
Look. It’s ugly, it’s horrible, but in an existential war this will happen. I’m sorry it was brought to a peace loving country in Europe.
It is a shame on the leadership of every NATO country that has underspent or played army pension accounting tricks with defence spending since 1991 — and a shame most of all on countries that continued to do so since 2014. We could have deterred this and we failed.
A country’s leadership’s kids should always be the first to be forcibly enlisted.