Die chinesische Firma BYD hat in Livorno, der Toskana, über 2.000 Elektroautos mit einer der größten Flotten der Welt gelandet.

better than tesla I guess

So now it came down to BYD vs. Tesla?

Can we chill a bit?
2025 1H – Top EV Models sold in Europe are mostly Europeans.

If Europe can sell cars in China then Europe needs to allow the same. Or else it’s hypocrisy

The EU must urgently impose 100% tariffs or more on Chinese-made vehicles, because allowing Beijing to exploit our open market after decades of abuse would be a catastrophic failure of leadership. China forced European carmakers to build inside its borders, capped their ownership at 49%, and extracted their intellectual property under threat of exclusion. Those policies were never about cooperation, they were about stealing European innovation to prop up Chinese state-backed industries. Now, China is flooding Europe with subsidised electric vehicles produced through that coerced knowledge transfer, while still shutting out our products at home with punitive tariffs. This is not competition, it is manipulation. Reciprocity demands we respond with equal force – no Chinese car should enter the European market on easier terms than Europe was ever allowed in China.

On top of this, China continues to insult the global community by hiding behind its “developing country” status. With an $18 trillion economy and control of 14% of global exports, Beijing still claims exemptions at the WTO, skews shipping costs in its favour, avoids binding climate obligations despite being the world’s largest polluter, and even taps into aid and cheap loans meant for genuinely poor nations. This is outright cheating – it robs true developing countries of the support they need while letting China bankroll massive subsidies, over $280 billion annually, to industries like steel, solar, and EVs. China cannot play superpower abroad while crying poverty to dodge global rules at home. The EU has a responsibility not only to protect its own industry, but also to defend global fairness by standing up to this hypocrisy. Tariffs on Chinese vehicles are not protectionism – they are justice and should be massively increased.

The fact that people talk about putting tariffs in Chinese cars instead of European automakers having affordable Evs is insane .Greed is destroying European automakers not Chinese cars

European car manufacturers just aren’t innovating enough. VW had to do a deal with Rivian for their technology platform. Too many think you can copy from an ICE car platform to an EV. This is why the Chinese are winning they have started from scratch. The modern EV is software on wheels. Are there any startups in Europe like they had in the USA such as Tesla, Rivian or Lucid? None that can I think of.

I’m a big supporter of buying European, but if it’s one European industry that does not deserve any kind of sympathy it’s the car manufacturers who have fucked themselves over and over and gotten saved over and over, and has even been prioritized over far more deserving industries. Losing the EV market was their own fault

China is still getting the hang of making cars. Give it a decade and Europe won’t be able to compete. I’m British so I don’t care, same thing happened to us in the 70s. Unlucky lads 🤣

r/BoycottChina

In a way, Europe helped them achieve this. The reason being: Russia.

All rhetoric aside, Russia isn’t exactly a small consumer market. For obvious reasons, European manufacturers left that market, handing it over to the Chinese on a silver platter.

As a result, Chinese car manufacturers made a boatload of money there (WAYYY more than they ever projected in their wildest dreams), took that money back to China, where they used it to further their R&D, as well as fund their endeavors in other markets. Including the European market.

I’m not saying that this is the ONLY factor fueling the rise of Chinese cars. But it definitely did give them a significant boost.

Totally anecdotal, but I was in Thailand in 2021. I went back in 2023. I was also in Mexico in 2017, I went back in 2023 as well.

Apart from enjoying travel, I am somewhat of a car nerd.

When it comes to Thailand in 2021, you had Chinese cars, but they weren’t super common. Fast forward to 2024, and it seemed like half of the new cars sold were Chinese.

Mexico in 2017 had no Chinese cars. Fast forward to 2023 and they were everywhere. The worst part about the situation in Mexico (from Europe’s perspective) is that VW used to own that market. Nowadays, you don’t see as many new VW’s anymore.

The only place where you don’t see them is here in the U.S.

But even here, European manufacturers aren’t as strong as they were before. Sure, you still see brand new European luxury cars (Mercedes, BMW, and Audi). But when it comes to the only “regular car” brand from Europe (VW), you barely see Americans buying them anymore.

I wonder how much the insurance was on that transport.