Korea, Japan stimmt der Beratungsgremium zu, um niedrige Geburtenraten und regionale Revitalisierung auf dem Summit zu beheben
https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2025-08-23/national/diplomacy/Korea-Japan-agree-to-from-consultative-body-to-address-common-challenges-in-summit-/2382415
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Curious how they’ll both tackle this. Both societies have similar problems with work/life balance heavily impacting the low birth rates.
Stop working your workers to death with bullshit hours and customs about not being able to leave until the boss does it whatever. Promote a more western work life balance so people actually have time to fuck and make babies.
„We tried nothing and we’re out of ideas!“
These are governments that refuse to understand that easily available birth control combined with women’s new found self-agency and desire to take fully advantage of what progress offers them and the powers-that-be’s preference for tradition and status quo….means no babies.
Like. Really, with the hypothesis of women being human beings with their own needs, wants, and desires (a radical position, right?), why would women choose motherhood if it means getting pushed out of their job and careers, becoming dependent on their husband’s sole income, having to live as a single mother because hubby can’t leave the office at 5 because it’s not well perceived, and having to care for their parents and in-laws because that’s what daughters and daughters-in-law are for? All, while maintaining proper appearances?
Like, what is there to gain there? Especially after pouring years of time, effort, energy, and resources in their education and job/career?
Curious to see what will happen but I’m not holding my breath.
**TLDR:** work less more Jiggy Jiggy
Japan will try ANYTHING but the one thing that will help. Work Culture sucks, it’s literally driving people to ruin, it CANNOT be sustained. Stop being stubborn and let people LIVE a life worth passing on to a new generation.
To all the people pointing fingers at work culture, thats only half the problem.
They are culturally screwed. Romance, sex, and love are all big secrets and no nos. A lot of what they represent is amazing, but sadly their social norms didn’t evolve with the rest of their countries.
To be clear japan is my favorite place in earth. I just feel for the people there and how hard it must be living in such a socially repressed culture.
Incentivize raising a family? Less work, more pay, scale it with # of children and then make housing a heavily regulated industry, remove much of the profit engines to discourage capture by corporations and subsidize youth rental/ownership in spaces large enough to raise a family. Just low hanging fruit.
lolololol people online have been giving them the solutions yet they combined dumb and dumber
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Less work, more money, woman doctors doing births, allow father’s to be present, make housing affordable, free nurseries , stop having the average age of the people making legislation be 70 years old, and that will not solve it, but will help.
I am a man but had my wife show me a video of a Japanese woman on how it is to have. Kid in Japan. I was fucking outraged, the doctors treat the woman worse then trash.
Doctors refusing pain medication because suffering is part of the price of being a mother ? Wtf.
I have seen them apologized for their children’s normal behavior, which felt polite at the time, but then I think about it, and I think it normalized treating normal children behavior as bothering other people.
Change your work culture. Change pay
Treat women like whole ass people.
Doing everything except actually doing something meaningful
The two most incompetent agents on the matter gather forces…
I am Japanese and have two children. From firsthand experience I can tell you a huge reason I won’t have more children, and would be very unlikely to have had them in the first place had my circumstances been a bit different is three words:
CHILDREN . ARE . EXPENSIVE
From a purely financial point of view, having children is a horrible idea. We all want our children to have a better life than us, but economic growth has slowed down dramatically. You probably need around a top 5% income or more to comfortably have children, and even then, you’re one layoff away from poverty. Having children for today’s adults is massively riskier than 40 years ago, so I understand if a lot of people prefer not to embark in parenthood.
I reckon these issues are global, but in particular, in Japan there are a lot of systematic issues that make it even more difficult and more expensive to have children. We live in a gerontocracy where a bunch of 70 and 80 year old politicians and bureaucrats completely detached from reality come up with some „incentives“ that are basically useless in the real world, yet nobody even dares question them.
I don’t see an easy way out of this.
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Their work culture is fucked. Take the French approach and people will start fucking again.
Wow, a consultative body, that will solve the problem for sure!
„Hmm. Yes. If my theory is correct, we need to fuck like rabbits and not live exclusively to work.“
It’s pretty simple.
As a Korean i welcome any kind of cooperation and understanding of the difficulties that our countries share. i hope we will have a better relationship going forward than in the past 🇰🇷🤝🇯🇵
Create a creampie economy. It’s that simple really.
Make housing affordable.
Done.
Pay people enough to have families and give them more time off.
Dr. Claudia Goldin, who won the Nobel Prize in Economics for her work about the gender pay gap (it’s attributed to motherhood, not gender), has analyzed the differences between countries, their birthrates, how quickly their economies developed, and household labor division. I’ve provided just a few quotes but the article is not too long; please read for full context.
[https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/01/need-to-boost-population-encourage-dads-to-step-up-at-home/](https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2025/01/need-to-boost-population-encourage-dads-to-step-up-at-home/)
>“Rapid economic change often challenges strongly held beliefs,” she summarized. “And beliefs change more slowly than economies do.”
**“It’s not that boys are more traditional than girls; it’s that boys have more to gain from the traditional home,”** Goldin explained. “But girls suddenly see that their options have changed. They can get an education. They can go out and work.”
>Time-use surveys, assembled by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, provided Goldin with evidence of gendered divisions of unpaid caregiving and household labor between 2009 and 2019. **She uncovered a bigger gap between men and women in the “lowest-low” countries.** Women, on average, devoted 3.1 more hours per day to household duties in Japan and three more hours per day in Italy. Compare that with the U.S., where women logged about 1.79 more daily hours on household duties, or Sweden, where the difference was just 0.8 hours.
>“The bottom line is,” Goldin said, “countries that saw this very, very rapid increase in standards of living are probably at sub-optimal birthrates.”
**Societies that want to encourage more babies today, she suggests, should try venerating fatherhood.**
People will not have children if they cannot provide a good life for them. If couples are struggling to get by and cannot afford a larger home to have children in, they will not have children.
Once a country gets more urbanized and developed, the birth rate declines and a lot of that is attributed to the high cost of living and yes it’s a universal problem. Even Scandinavian countries with their generous welfare system for new parents are having below replacement levels for birth rates. The problem is once people get comfortable with a higher standard of living in urban life they are unwilling to jeopardize everything they worked so hard from and go back living like a broke college student with a tight budget. It’s possible to just feed the kid 3 bowls of rice a day and call it a day but to give the kid a good life requires an enormous amount of money, time, and energy in the globalized 21st century.
I know the solution but those cultures are so afraid of having new people but so afraid that will do anything to avoid that option 😇
SEX HAVERS NEED APPLY
Stop working citizens til 8 or 9 at night. Who has time for sex when all they have time to do is work, eat, and sleep! There…..I fixed it!!
-> form
I thought one major reason why the birth rate is lower is because overall there are fewer people in relationships. Something to the tune of… 50% of American women 22-35 years old are not in a partnered relationship. Not just married. This is a far larger percentage than just 10 years ago.
Stop overworking people to death would be a good start.
All these experts cant figure out:
1. Too expensive to have kids
2. No work life balance to even enjoy life with kids
3. Investing infrastructure into cities only makes its too expensive to live in and then no work or ammenities to live rural
I mean… am I stupid?
Let’s start with an extra week of paid vacation per child policy.
you’ll get more kids when minimum wage jobs can pay you to live comfortably.
if they aren’t willing to take in immigrants, and they aren’t willing to outlaw working more than 40 hours a week without overtime pay then nothing will change.
the young men in these cultures are pressured to live at work and spend every waking minute terrified that if they don’t devote 100% of their life to the company then they will be fired. if they are fired, they are basically black-listed from their entire industry and might as well take a job as a janitor.
the only way to get companies to abandon this system is to make it too expensive to let anyone stay past 40 hours. if the employees had more free time they would be starting families.
Japan and Korea agreed to form a consultative body to tackle low birth rates…
Step one: give workers enough free time to actually go on dates.
They’d literally do anything but increase wages and incentives for couples having children