>It is understood the small amounts involved per individual means it often does not make sense for the government to seek a prosecution if someone is found to be claiming the benefit fraudulently.
So that’s literally free money for people based abroad? Grand
Minimum-Geologist-58 on
This is one thing that got lost in the PIP carry on. Benefit fraud in the UK, and out of it, is genuinely pretty fucking rampant: 11% of the total UC bill is just stolen and that’s the amount the government knows about!
Yes PIP fraud is low but that’s because it’s assessed and assumes “well nobody could fake something, our assessments would detect it!” I think anybody sane knows that thinking is incorrect on some level but yes it’s going to be far lower than benefits that are just means tested.
Old_Course9344 on
Child benefit is such a pitiful amount you can barely buy your kid treats after school with it
What about all the fraudsters pretending to be single parents and claiming a Central London wage in universal credit overall?
IgamOg on
8 weeks? That can easily be family emergency or a long holiday.
How much did it cost to track everyone’s whereabouts?
Horror_Extension4355 on
All UC payments require an element of trust and integrity as the system can be gamed. It’s about society individually and collectively calling out the gamers and them suffering social stigma and financial shame.
Move-Primary on
Currently working in UC and when cases like this come up you get some hilarious attempts at bullshitery. We had a recent one where a claimant was suspected of being abroad but claiming UC. Our first step in proving they are here is asking them to upload a photo of them standing at the front door of their registered address and also a photo of them standing beside the street sign of their street. We get soooo many doctored photos and some of them are hilarious. Had one recently where the claimant had edited themselves into a photo of their „home“. It was clearly a pic from Google street and the guy had pasted a photo of himself which was 10x brighter into the low quality photo. Another one had a girl floating 5 feet above the street sign on her road. The worst is though we still have to go through reems of admin in these cases so it’s a big drain on resources
hansonhols on
Close all the nannying government benefits departments. ALL OF THEM!
Then start UBI for everyone, old young disabled whatever. Severely disabled people needing more support will need to be taken into consideration of course.
You save (A lot of £ i don’t know how much exactly) on the expense of all these top-heavy red tape bound ineffiecient services.
There can be NO FRAUD if everyone gets money / UBI.
Perhaps even setup some way of increased payments / reduced Tax for those who are employed and have contributed more.
There has to be simple answer to this.
shaversonly230v115v on
£17m is a rounding error.
The overall bill is over £13bn
We’re talking about less than 0.15%
Bob_Leves on
Meanwhile, the ultra rich dodge billions in tax every year by e.g. setting up shell „image rights“ or „licensing“ or similar companies in low-tax countries / states then manipulating their cash flow so the uk company makes a pittance on paper. But the number of investigators on that is negligible and even decreasing.
ratemychicken on
I know a Polish woman living in Poland running her own successful business who claims child benefits, always amazed she got away with it.
IBuyGourdFutures on
I’m surprised they weren’t doing this already, but maybe I’m expecting more from the government
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>It is understood the small amounts involved per individual means it often does not make sense for the government to seek a prosecution if someone is found to be claiming the benefit fraudulently.
So that’s literally free money for people based abroad? Grand
This is one thing that got lost in the PIP carry on. Benefit fraud in the UK, and out of it, is genuinely pretty fucking rampant: 11% of the total UC bill is just stolen and that’s the amount the government knows about!
Yes PIP fraud is low but that’s because it’s assessed and assumes “well nobody could fake something, our assessments would detect it!” I think anybody sane knows that thinking is incorrect on some level but yes it’s going to be far lower than benefits that are just means tested.
Child benefit is such a pitiful amount you can barely buy your kid treats after school with it
What about all the fraudsters pretending to be single parents and claiming a Central London wage in universal credit overall?
8 weeks? That can easily be family emergency or a long holiday.
How much did it cost to track everyone’s whereabouts?
All UC payments require an element of trust and integrity as the system can be gamed. It’s about society individually and collectively calling out the gamers and them suffering social stigma and financial shame.
Currently working in UC and when cases like this come up you get some hilarious attempts at bullshitery. We had a recent one where a claimant was suspected of being abroad but claiming UC. Our first step in proving they are here is asking them to upload a photo of them standing at the front door of their registered address and also a photo of them standing beside the street sign of their street. We get soooo many doctored photos and some of them are hilarious. Had one recently where the claimant had edited themselves into a photo of their „home“. It was clearly a pic from Google street and the guy had pasted a photo of himself which was 10x brighter into the low quality photo. Another one had a girl floating 5 feet above the street sign on her road. The worst is though we still have to go through reems of admin in these cases so it’s a big drain on resources
Close all the nannying government benefits departments. ALL OF THEM!
Then start UBI for everyone, old young disabled whatever. Severely disabled people needing more support will need to be taken into consideration of course.
You save (A lot of £ i don’t know how much exactly) on the expense of all these top-heavy red tape bound ineffiecient services.
There can be NO FRAUD if everyone gets money / UBI.
Perhaps even setup some way of increased payments / reduced Tax for those who are employed and have contributed more.
There has to be simple answer to this.
£17m is a rounding error.
The overall bill is over £13bn
We’re talking about less than 0.15%
Meanwhile, the ultra rich dodge billions in tax every year by e.g. setting up shell „image rights“ or „licensing“ or similar companies in low-tax countries / states then manipulating their cash flow so the uk company makes a pittance on paper. But the number of investigators on that is negligible and even decreasing.
I know a Polish woman living in Poland running her own successful business who claims child benefits, always amazed she got away with it.
I’m surprised they weren’t doing this already, but maybe I’m expecting more from the government