Winter solstice is not on December 25th. It falls on the 21st.
Poulito on
No. This is where the idea of a massive celebration on Dec 25th comes from.
The Catholic church used its ‘if you can’t beat ‘em join ‘‘em’ playbook to overlay Christ-centered themes onto existing cultural pagan celebration days to co-opt it into a Christian celebration.
bucksconservative on
Christian holidays were placed over pagan holidays just like actual churches were placed over old pagan sights.
Evil_Patriarch on
This is a trivia question, not a conspiracy
FizzyGoose666 on
It’s not a conspiracy that Christmas draws from different beliefs or practices but definitely crazy when you realize it.
OMalice on
yea, no, christmas actually has nothing to do with Christ. and everything to do with Nimrod. always has.
The Swedish word for „christmas“ is „jul“, a holiday celebrating the winter solstice way before christianity arrived.
TheKramer89 on
That’s nice and all, but I celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ on December 25th. Don’t really care what those perverts were doing on that day back then…
Tertullianitis on
No, despite how widespread this idea is, it’s nonsense.
Almost the only source we have for this extremely minor feast of Sol Invictus is from the Calendar of Philocalus from 354 AD. Meanwhile, the earliest extent suggestion that Christmas should be celebrated on December 25 is from 204 AD, a full century and a half earlier.
There is no evidence that early Christians or the 4th century Christian emperors were bothered in any way by this obscure pagan celebration, or that they felt any need to replace it with anything, or that it had anything to do with the selection of December 25 as Jesus‘ birthday. We have early Christian writings explaining the logic of December 25, and we have other more plausible speculation based on Jewish/Christian ideas. None of it has to do with replacing pagan feasts that were dying a natural death in the late 300s anyway.
Existing_Chair_7984 on
Christianity is made up of all pagan ritual. Yet christians are too ignorant to know this
xBHL on
This is a very long way of saying they celebrated the Winter solstice
South-Rabbit-4064 on
All of this I thought was pretty well known Roman history of Constantine and Constantinople, and why there’s a lot of Christian denominations that don’t celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday
StarsCHISoxSuperBowl on
This has been debunked about a thousand times by historians and theologians, atheists and believers a like.
Afraid_Ad_7207 on
Why do you think it was so easy to convert the Romans to Catholicism?
And Catholicism is just a errant variant strain of the main heliocentric virus
Blame Emperor Constantstein
scoobydoo49 on
Op clearly hasn’t seen “Zeitgeist Religion is Slavery”
MrMez on
Yes, historical fact that early church adopted and slightly changed other traditions to make it easier to convert pagans.
partisan59 on
Christians have a long and proud (to them) history of usurping other cultures rituals, celebrations, and traditions and pretending it was their idea. Christianity is the most destructive religion in history. Islam is giving it a run for it’s money but Christianity has been around longer.
XoSpookyBabeXo on
I told my white maga mom, don’t bother coming over for Christmas. It’s such a greedy holiday anyways. And she still believes it has to do with Jesus being born. Go figure.
hmischuk on
Funny part is… not so much.
If you check actual records, you find that there’s just no evidence of the Feast of Sol Invictus on 12/25 before AD 335… when the nativity of Christ was already being celebrated on that day in Rome. (And other dates were observed in different times and places.)
There is no question at all about the Church inculturating… it’s neither unexpected nor a bad thing. Paul even alludes to it in Acts 17.
But in this particular case, it looks like it’s the otherway ‚round.
And, to be clear: when the Church establishes a Liturgical Celebration like this, it’s BY NO MEANS required that it be observed on the anniversary of it’s historical referent. Sometimes that day is already taken by something else. It’s enough that the Church wants Her members to draw their attention to some feature of the economy of salvation, and so she places a reminder on the calendar; often on or near the anniversary of the referent, but really, not always.
logicblocks on
Jesus was not born during Christmas time.
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So it’s solstice
Winter solstice is not on December 25th. It falls on the 21st.
No. This is where the idea of a massive celebration on Dec 25th comes from.
The Catholic church used its ‘if you can’t beat ‘em join ‘‘em’ playbook to overlay Christ-centered themes onto existing cultural pagan celebration days to co-opt it into a Christian celebration.
Christian holidays were placed over pagan holidays just like actual churches were placed over old pagan sights.
This is a trivia question, not a conspiracy
It’s not a conspiracy that Christmas draws from different beliefs or practices but definitely crazy when you realize it.
yea, no, christmas actually has nothing to do with Christ. and everything to do with Nimrod. always has.
[Jeremiah 10:3](https://biblehub.com/jeremiah/10-3.htm)
(He’s never heard of syncretism)
The Swedish word for „christmas“ is „jul“, a holiday celebrating the winter solstice way before christianity arrived.
That’s nice and all, but I celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ on December 25th. Don’t really care what those perverts were doing on that day back then…
No, despite how widespread this idea is, it’s nonsense.
Almost the only source we have for this extremely minor feast of Sol Invictus is from the Calendar of Philocalus from 354 AD. Meanwhile, the earliest extent suggestion that Christmas should be celebrated on December 25 is from 204 AD, a full century and a half earlier.
There is no evidence that early Christians or the 4th century Christian emperors were bothered in any way by this obscure pagan celebration, or that they felt any need to replace it with anything, or that it had anything to do with the selection of December 25 as Jesus‘ birthday. We have early Christian writings explaining the logic of December 25, and we have other more plausible speculation based on Jewish/Christian ideas. None of it has to do with replacing pagan feasts that were dying a natural death in the late 300s anyway.
Christianity is made up of all pagan ritual. Yet christians are too ignorant to know this
This is a very long way of saying they celebrated the Winter solstice
All of this I thought was pretty well known Roman history of Constantine and Constantinople, and why there’s a lot of Christian denominations that don’t celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday
This has been debunked about a thousand times by historians and theologians, atheists and believers a like.
Why do you think it was so easy to convert the Romans to Catholicism?
And Catholicism is just a errant variant strain of the main heliocentric virus
Blame Emperor Constantstein
Op clearly hasn’t seen “Zeitgeist Religion is Slavery”
Yes, historical fact that early church adopted and slightly changed other traditions to make it easier to convert pagans.
Christians have a long and proud (to them) history of usurping other cultures rituals, celebrations, and traditions and pretending it was their idea. Christianity is the most destructive religion in history. Islam is giving it a run for it’s money but Christianity has been around longer.
I told my white maga mom, don’t bother coming over for Christmas. It’s such a greedy holiday anyways. And she still believes it has to do with Jesus being born. Go figure.
Funny part is… not so much.
If you check actual records, you find that there’s just no evidence of the Feast of Sol Invictus on 12/25 before AD 335… when the nativity of Christ was already being celebrated on that day in Rome. (And other dates were observed in different times and places.)
There is no question at all about the Church inculturating… it’s neither unexpected nor a bad thing. Paul even alludes to it in Acts 17.
But in this particular case, it looks like it’s the otherway ‚round.
And, to be clear: when the Church establishes a Liturgical Celebration like this, it’s BY NO MEANS required that it be observed on the anniversary of it’s historical referent. Sometimes that day is already taken by something else. It’s enough that the Church wants Her members to draw their attention to some feature of the economy of salvation, and so she places a reminder on the calendar; often on or near the anniversary of the referent, but really, not always.
Jesus was not born during Christmas time.