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MrManfredjensenden on
The supreme court taking no stand on this issue fucked us as a country. And makes no sense either.
MidNCS on
As a Floridian, that makes so much fucking sense now.
rockbottomtraveler on
Colorado and 8 other states joined Canada or what?
moolord on
I imagine the states with a half seat swing in either direction are pretty fair, probably pretty hard to split up half a vote
turb0_encapsulator on
so basically Dems would have had the House since the beginning of the decade of it wasn’t for Republican fuckery.
DanIvvy on
I’ve wondered how this works out. Democrats get cities, which means dense votes, which means a natural disadvantage. Republicans had a 3% advantage in 2024, but only 1% more seats. How does this align?
Also these numbers just don’t seem to look like reality. What about Wisconsin? And looking at Maryland and Illinois those cannot be only 2-3 seats.
jorgepolak on
Louisiana and Alabama have pro-Democrat gerrymanders?
EddyT918 on
Only a Democrat could gerrymander a graph about gerrymandering.
Even where Blue states have some Red seats, the ratio of seats to Republicans is disproportionate:
CA: 38% Republican, 9 of 52 seats (20.9%)
IL: 44% Republican, 3 of 17 seats (17.6%)
NY: 43% Republican, 7 of 26 seats (26.9%)
MD: 34% Republican, 1 of 8 seats (12.5%)
NJ: 46% Republican, 3 of 12 seats (25%)
OR: 41% Republican, 1 of 6 seats (16.7%)
DougOsborne on
And for those who say „yOU cAN’T gERRYMANDER tHE sENATE“ look at this chart. Gerrymandering suppresses overall turnout by state and party.
peePpotato on
Would be so funny to get payback for the roe v Wade overturn by challenging and overturning Gaffney v Cummings
Old-Elephant-1230 on
This is a BS graph. There are literally 0 red counties in MA. There isnt gerrymandering there.
oflatitude on
I just want to know what would happen if nothing was gerrymandered. So the blue gets a handicap?
kazinski80 on
End it. Let’s find a way to introduce a bipartisan and reasonable system for congressional map drawing
ElectricSpock on
Yeah, Civil War II is coming.
Can we put it on a map?
shereth78 on
I think it’s a little disingenuous to label this as entirely gerrymandering, partisan or otherwise. Your second source even goes on to state that Arizona is a false positive, and they’re controlled by an independent redistricting commission. The slight GOP tilt there is something that appears in many different versions of maps considered „fair“ and is probably just a quirk of the current demographics of the state. Can’t speak for others but I don’t think it’s fair to say these advantages are all due to partisan gerrymandering.
Certain_Fondant_1631 on
probably the first time it’s ever been mentioned, but can we claim asylum?
smashinjin10 on
Time for blue states to secede. Yes it will be messy, but It’s time to stop supporting the Republican welfare queens. Let them have their woke free paradise and see how it works out for them.
veryblanduser on
Other analysis shows little to no advantage for either party.
It’s almost as if the Republican Party is the party of spread out minority rural populations that have to put artificial weight on the scales of democracy because they don’t have the real majority
WeUsedToBeACountry on
One party rule, when implemented at a structural level, is the definition of a dictatorship.
Level3Kobold on
OP, it would be helpful to see this by percent gerrymandered as well.
For example California gains ~2.8 seats for dems by gerrymandering, and it has 58 representatives total, meaning that **California is 4.8% gerrymandered.**
Meanwhile Florida gains ~4.1 seats for republicans by gerrymandering and has 28 representatives total, meaning that **Florida is 14.6% gerrymandered.**
So while California and Florida look pretty similar (if opposite) on this graph, they’re actually worlds apart.
ItsSLE on
This chart is really misleading as it doesn’t take into account relative population size.
GorgontheWonderCow on
Why are you missing ~20% of the states?
FunnyDude9999 on
I think something interesting would be to look at voting % vs voting representation for each state (rather than the delta on a specific year).
Zigxy on
I never liked these charts because they are misleading
For example, Massachusetts is practically impossible to create a GOP seat with current voting patterns.
Unlike other states such as California with pockets of deep red voters, Mass has no such thing.
MetallicGray on
Wouldn’t it just be hilarious if Texas draws their new district map specifically along party registration lines to intentionally maximally minimize proper representation of Democratic voters, and it ends up breaking their current gerrymandered lead.
Like imagine if they go through all this shit and somehow they manage to *lose* a sit.
God it’d be the only thing that could ever make believe in Karma.
Fwiler on
In this day and age and we can’t have individual votes count.
Atoning_Unifex on
Fucking two-bit, clown car, broken down, piece of shit country we live in now. I’d laugh but I’m very sad about it.
joshul on
Brother, you have made a critical mistake with your analysis. You are considering partisan advantage and gerrymandering to be the same thing, but they are not.
Gerrymandering is the intent of the redistricting process and whether the drawing of the district is done in intentionally unfair way for partisan advantage. Gerrymandering can lead to partisan advantage, but some states see partisan advantages even with a fair drawing process.
California is in the news today because after 15+ years of drawing fair maps by an independent commission, they are putting an intentional gerrymander in front of California voters for approval as a way to counter mid-decade redistricting in Texas and other red states. But in 2024 where you are comparing data, California districts were fair maps, not a gerrymander. By comparison, Democrats in Illinois drew their maps to intentionally advantage Democrats and disadvantage Republicans, thus is a gerrymander. For the examples I have given you, your 2024 should include Illinois but it should not include California. I hope that makes sense?
Here is an [effort by researchers at Princeton](https://gerrymander.princeton.edu/redistricting-report-card/) to come up with a scorecard on which states rank on gerrymandering and map fairness. I would advocate that you only compare states with a D/F rating and then you can calculate the partisan advantage difference from there.
ColoTexas90 on
yeah, cause they’re a bunch of whiny bitches, who would much rather sell us all out, than actually work for us.
CNDW on
This data is BS, how is Minnesota going to swing +1 red when it’s democratically controlled. If the state was going to redistrict it would either redistrict to gain democratic seats or not redistrict at all. How are they coming up with these numbers?
NeighborhoodDude84 on
I really expected more from a country founded by slave owners.
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My two main sources are
https://ippsr.msu.edu/partisan-advantage-tracker
And
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/how-gerrymandering-tilts-2024-race-house
I used AI to make the image. Took a few tries to get something I liked.
The supreme court taking no stand on this issue fucked us as a country. And makes no sense either.
As a Floridian, that makes so much fucking sense now.
Colorado and 8 other states joined Canada or what?
I imagine the states with a half seat swing in either direction are pretty fair, probably pretty hard to split up half a vote
so basically Dems would have had the House since the beginning of the decade of it wasn’t for Republican fuckery.
I’ve wondered how this works out. Democrats get cities, which means dense votes, which means a natural disadvantage. Republicans had a 3% advantage in 2024, but only 1% more seats. How does this align?
Also these numbers just don’t seem to look like reality. What about Wisconsin? And looking at Maryland and Illinois those cannot be only 2-3 seats.
Louisiana and Alabama have pro-Democrat gerrymanders?
Only a Democrat could gerrymander a graph about gerrymandering.
MA: 36% Republican, 0 seats
CT: 42% Republican, 0 seats
ME: 46% Republican, 0 seats
NM: 46% Republican, 0 seats
NH: 48% Republican, 0 seats
RI: 42% Republican, 0 seats
VT: 32% Republican, 0 seats
HI: 38% Republican, 0 seats
DE: 42% Republican, 0 seats
Even where Blue states have some Red seats, the ratio of seats to Republicans is disproportionate:
CA: 38% Republican, 9 of 52 seats (20.9%)
IL: 44% Republican, 3 of 17 seats (17.6%)
NY: 43% Republican, 7 of 26 seats (26.9%)
MD: 34% Republican, 1 of 8 seats (12.5%)
NJ: 46% Republican, 3 of 12 seats (25%)
OR: 41% Republican, 1 of 6 seats (16.7%)
And for those who say „yOU cAN’T gERRYMANDER tHE sENATE“ look at this chart. Gerrymandering suppresses overall turnout by state and party.
Would be so funny to get payback for the roe v Wade overturn by challenging and overturning Gaffney v Cummings
This is a BS graph. There are literally 0 red counties in MA. There isnt gerrymandering there.
I just want to know what would happen if nothing was gerrymandered. So the blue gets a handicap?
End it. Let’s find a way to introduce a bipartisan and reasonable system for congressional map drawing
Yeah, Civil War II is coming.
Can we put it on a map?
I think it’s a little disingenuous to label this as entirely gerrymandering, partisan or otherwise. Your second source even goes on to state that Arizona is a false positive, and they’re controlled by an independent redistricting commission. The slight GOP tilt there is something that appears in many different versions of maps considered „fair“ and is probably just a quirk of the current demographics of the state. Can’t speak for others but I don’t think it’s fair to say these advantages are all due to partisan gerrymandering.
probably the first time it’s ever been mentioned, but can we claim asylum?
Time for blue states to secede. Yes it will be messy, but It’s time to stop supporting the Republican welfare queens. Let them have their woke free paradise and see how it works out for them.
Other analysis shows little to no advantage for either party.
https://isps.yale.edu/news/blog/2023/06/partisan-gerrymandering-mostly-cancels-out-at-national-level-study-shows
It’s almost as if the Republican Party is the party of spread out minority rural populations that have to put artificial weight on the scales of democracy because they don’t have the real majority
One party rule, when implemented at a structural level, is the definition of a dictatorship.
OP, it would be helpful to see this by percent gerrymandered as well.
For example California gains ~2.8 seats for dems by gerrymandering, and it has 58 representatives total, meaning that **California is 4.8% gerrymandered.**
Meanwhile Florida gains ~4.1 seats for republicans by gerrymandering and has 28 representatives total, meaning that **Florida is 14.6% gerrymandered.**
So while California and Florida look pretty similar (if opposite) on this graph, they’re actually worlds apart.
This chart is really misleading as it doesn’t take into account relative population size.
Why are you missing ~20% of the states?
I think something interesting would be to look at voting % vs voting representation for each state (rather than the delta on a specific year).
I never liked these charts because they are misleading
For example, Massachusetts is practically impossible to create a GOP seat with current voting patterns.
Unlike other states such as California with pockets of deep red voters, Mass has no such thing.
Wouldn’t it just be hilarious if Texas draws their new district map specifically along party registration lines to intentionally maximally minimize proper representation of Democratic voters, and it ends up breaking their current gerrymandered lead.
Like imagine if they go through all this shit and somehow they manage to *lose* a sit.
God it’d be the only thing that could ever make believe in Karma.
In this day and age and we can’t have individual votes count.
Fucking two-bit, clown car, broken down, piece of shit country we live in now. I’d laugh but I’m very sad about it.
Brother, you have made a critical mistake with your analysis. You are considering partisan advantage and gerrymandering to be the same thing, but they are not.
Gerrymandering is the intent of the redistricting process and whether the drawing of the district is done in intentionally unfair way for partisan advantage. Gerrymandering can lead to partisan advantage, but some states see partisan advantages even with a fair drawing process.
California is in the news today because after 15+ years of drawing fair maps by an independent commission, they are putting an intentional gerrymander in front of California voters for approval as a way to counter mid-decade redistricting in Texas and other red states. But in 2024 where you are comparing data, California districts were fair maps, not a gerrymander. By comparison, Democrats in Illinois drew their maps to intentionally advantage Democrats and disadvantage Republicans, thus is a gerrymander. For the examples I have given you, your 2024 should include Illinois but it should not include California. I hope that makes sense?
Here is an [effort by researchers at Princeton](https://gerrymander.princeton.edu/redistricting-report-card/) to come up with a scorecard on which states rank on gerrymandering and map fairness. I would advocate that you only compare states with a D/F rating and then you can calculate the partisan advantage difference from there.
yeah, cause they’re a bunch of whiny bitches, who would much rather sell us all out, than actually work for us.
This data is BS, how is Minnesota going to swing +1 red when it’s democratically controlled. If the state was going to redistrict it would either redistrict to gain democratic seats or not redistrict at all. How are they coming up with these numbers?
I really expected more from a country founded by slave owners.