Others will explain to you the reasons, I just wanted to point out that this data is simply not true (I don’t even think it’s outdated, I doubt the ratio was ever this low).
In reality >40% of Moldovans are in favor of the unification.
Seerpentin on
Thanks to Moldovan identity shaped during the Soviet period explicitly to avoid this reunification 🙂
SteadfastOMP on
It’s closer to 50% according to recent polls
Stunning_Tradition31 on
there is no source on this poll other than the mapper’s own opinion.
heavyMTL on
Stupidity
Ainudor on
completely fake, no source, propaganda clickbait
ConsiderationSea6801 on
I don’t think you’re going to find them in here my mate .
But i guess this subject has to be addressed to the politicians in first place , it makes sense not to have one government but just open borders but that means that we will be in EU free trade zone which we don’t qualify yet for .
For majority is either about business or power over the constitution. Both will have to lose if the unification is carried out.
Of course we are an agricultural country and with the unification is a bigger possibility to have the products realised in a bigger market but people already doing that by bringing the EU standards to their product.
Probably people don’t want to be politically influenced in their region by a majority which is not living there.
( but that is my opinion)
One and the most significant reason is that the society is so divided that we cannot come together as a whole country, never mind unification.
I am for the unification, but i don’t live there for a long time so in fact im not allowed to decide for people that actually live there.
The smallest step that government can do is to explain it if it is to happen. The main reason is NATO and defence. From the economic perspective it doesn’t make sense, majority of people can work and travel in a few countries and the local businesses can dodge taxes and work in a less safer way to keep the profits up.
So as a conclusion a lot of people will vote against it from many points.
Hopefully you can conclude something from my personal opinion. PS: I might be wrong and not educated enough to give more details or specify exactly what’s what. 👍👍👍
Holiday-Swordfish-27 on
do you belive that romanians from RO are ready to pay the price of it ? Have you ever asked RO if they really wish this to happen ?
someguytwo on
I don’t think most people realise the benefits of being directly integrated into the EU and NATO by means of unification.
I am both for unification or gradual integration. One is better and faster, but which ever the people choose is the best way.
Maximum_Stock3512 on
Successful russification from 150 years of occupation+many deportations that happened after 1940 and many Russians settling in Moldova after ww2.
h3lion_prime on
Percentages are completely wrong, but as high as they really are, I think few people consider the actual consequences if this unification is put in effect. I’ll leave the Kremlin out of this one, because fuck their opinions.
Even if the boarders disappear and Romania becomes one big territory, will people from Moldova simply agree to have their government disappear, and put everything in Bucharest’s hands? Will all the people forget the past, and act like they’re all compatriots?
Of course not. There will always be a social barrier. Sides will remain, and people will use the „us“ and „them“ references in daily conversations.
Then, if the public relations go really bad, the subject of independence is brought up and we’re basically back to square one.
EnormousHogCranker on
because the ship has already sailed.
we had a chance to when we declared independence, but the Russophile Agrarian Party killed it and since then, its become more and more unlikely it will happen.
Axu3371 on
This data is either very old or fake. Its still not the majority, but close.
Because they are rusian people not moldovean people
Kerham on
This is a fake subject brought up time and again by Kremlin’s lapdogs.
Unification of an EU country with a non-EU country is not possible. We (Romania) literally signed treaties that present borders remain as is.
Moldova would be far better joining EU on its own, and then we will be anyway virtually reunited, more connected than now.
Previous_Pop6815 on
Numbers would be a lot higher if we could escape Russian influence. But I do think that these are at around 50%.
It would be probably instant unification if Russia would disappear.
Foreigners really cannot grasp how much influence Russia still has through media and other shady channels like pro Russian politicians.
The Russian army in Transnistria is also something in the back of our mind.
Relative-Ingenuity15 on
As a Romanian who lived 20+ years close to the border with Republic of Moldova and who has lots of friends there I can tell you that lots of Moldovans(especially from the south side of Moldova) haven’t forgotten the time when Romanian army left Bessarabia without shooting a bullet after Ribbentrop-Molotov agreement and they feel until this day the betrayal that authorities from Bucharest did back in 1945. Moldovans suffered a lot from the Soviet social cleansing(lots of Moldovans being deported to Siberia) and Holodomor who also impacted them as well as Ukrainians.
Another episode of betrayal was in 1990-1991 during the conflict in Transnistria when Romanian authorities did nothing for Moldovans when they were invaded by Russia(and honestly what could they do?).
Nowadays Moldovans from the Republic of Moldova are being called „Russians“ by the eastern Romanians.
With all this disrespect from Romania, do you believe they still want unification? As an eastern Romanian I would like to see them back to the homeland as Romania also belongs to them but I also understand why they don’t want to come back home.
Trody34 on
I’m a portuguese who knows the history and been visiting Romania every year (currently in Barlad) since 2000. I have also been to Moldova more than once.
There is no doubt in my mind that Moldova should be part of Romania. It just makes sense geographically, culturally and historically.
I think it will happen eventually. Until then Romania should strive to be as friendly as possible with Moldova. More can and should be done
vladgrinch on
The map is severely outdated. It’s somewhere at 38% for unification in R. Moldova in most polls on this topic. But not enough to reach the 50% threshold. There are multiple reasons why it’s not above 50%, from russian/soviet propaganda and brainwashing, to Russia financing a lot of traitors from political parties, media and church to divide the society, to some people getting attached to this state no matter how it was born and how efficient it is (some people prefer the bad they are already used to instead of trying something new), 20-30% of the population is a russophone minority brought in by Russia/USSR so they are loyal to Moscow, etc, etc, etc.
Mean_Breakfast9170 on
200 years of russian propaganda do that to you
Life-Breadfruit-1426 on
Why not unify with Ukraine?
What’s the cutoff line?
What about transnistria? What about majority Russian/Ukranian speakers in various regions? What about Gagausia?
InsidiousBunny2447 on
Honestly, as a Romanian, I don’t even care. I woukd welcome Moldavians if they want to unite with us, but I’m also totally fine with them being separated. It does kind of make sense fir these 2 countries to be united, but I don’t think forcing it would be any good.
Now, what I don’t really understand is why some of them opose vehemently to unification. Like wtf, do you like the state of your country? Romania is by no means a “top tier” country, but economically we are lightyears ahead.
Question for Moldavians who opose unification and are pro Russia. Has this benefited you in any way shape or form? Especially people from Transnistria, that place looks like a literal shithole. Why are your russian friends not helping developing your “country”? What’s so bad about Romania or the west that you desperately want to be on the russian sphere of influence?
Optimal-Cress-9718 on
as a Romanian I don’t support unification with Moldova either
pohui on
For the same reasons Northern Ireland, Flanders and Wallonia don’t.
iulyus69 on
Propaganda rusească
West_Standard9434 on
Russian, ukrainian and tatar ethnics are against, while moldavians(romanian ethnics are very divided due to the political rulling party)
PS: is just a personal humble opinion, as a romanian living in romania(not moldavian)
West_Standard9434 on
Lately the mainstream mass media in both Romania andMoldova are pushing the idea that any debate about unification is something far-right/ non-euroean/pro-putin etc
chasm-beneath-me on
They like Romanian passports but not Romania.
MrFIXXX on
Russian propaganda post. Move along.
freaky_sypro on
I don’t think that the percentage in Romania is true. It’s way to high.
ViktorGL on
Probably because some old farts will be deprived of the trough or risk ending up in jail.
DocGerbill on
I’d be interested to see a source for those numbers, I’m familiar with the Romania-Moldova, France-Wallonia and Netherlands-Flanders situations and they all see off.
XtrmntVNDmnt on
I’m not sure this map is accurate at all. I doubt 58% of people in France care about annexing Wallonia, for example, sure most French know „people speak French in Belgium“ but I’m pretty sure average French don’t even know what is Wallonia or don’t even know Belgium has multiple languages.
xattikox on
60% of Moldova is Russia
shaolin_taval on
Nice try Putin!
InCloud44 on
Why do you think the percentage is that freaking high in Romania? Because it is not. We don t need Transnistria or Gagauzia.
Poky12 on
After the revolution in Romania, sometime during Iliescus‘ term, Moldova offered to unite with Romania but he refused, signed a treaty with Russia, and that led to the war in Moldova over Transnistria. Thank goodness he finally died
bizzarre1 on
Only dumb ppl say these are fake stats.Moldova ppl dont really want to be part of Romania
Swimming_Average_561 on
Lingering pro-Russian sentiment. The polls have shifted dramatically in recent years though, and now nearly half of Moldovans support unification, with that number expected to grow.
According_Town7264 on
Russian propaganda
idontknowwheream on
It probably counts transnistria, big part of it, where lives non-moldavian (ukr+rus) majority. Transnistria is just a part of Ukraine that soviets named Moldova to have „right“ to occupy Moldova. Most of it was never Moldova before soviets. And nowadays people there are the most soviet lovers in the world, so are against Romania
And yeah Russian influence+minorities. Local minorities of gagauz and bulgarians do not like romania/moldova unification – they may lose even more autonomy.
Among ethnic Moldovans/Romanians it’s probably more than 50%.
No-Natural2002 on
Piggybackin on this post to ask a question.
What is the trend between younger (<35years) population?
mihaicl1981 on
For me (as a Romanian but with relatives in what is now R. Moldova from before WW2) there is no question that we are actually the same country, language and people.
The soviets tried to create a soviet republic but at it’s core it is still Romania .Now, there are some voices of the ethnic Russian population that do not want to be assimilated and these must be listened to.
The Russian army (as small as it is) does not belong in the republic by any means and will not hold for long (I am in Romania but still can’t figure out how they get supplies/replacements except from the native population in the so called Transnistria republic).
Personal_Rooster2121 on
Unrelated but there should be a movement to unite Catalan speaking spain with andorra
Tutrastra on
I do think these figures are accurate.
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Others will explain to you the reasons, I just wanted to point out that this data is simply not true (I don’t even think it’s outdated, I doubt the ratio was ever this low).
In reality >40% of Moldovans are in favor of the unification.
Thanks to Moldovan identity shaped during the Soviet period explicitly to avoid this reunification 🙂
It’s closer to 50% according to recent polls
there is no source on this poll other than the mapper’s own opinion.
Stupidity
completely fake, no source, propaganda clickbait
I don’t think you’re going to find them in here my mate .
But i guess this subject has to be addressed to the politicians in first place , it makes sense not to have one government but just open borders but that means that we will be in EU free trade zone which we don’t qualify yet for .
For majority is either about business or power over the constitution. Both will have to lose if the unification is carried out.
Of course we are an agricultural country and with the unification is a bigger possibility to have the products realised in a bigger market but people already doing that by bringing the EU standards to their product.
Probably people don’t want to be politically influenced in their region by a majority which is not living there.
( but that is my opinion)
One and the most significant reason is that the society is so divided that we cannot come together as a whole country, never mind unification.
I am for the unification, but i don’t live there for a long time so in fact im not allowed to decide for people that actually live there.
The smallest step that government can do is to explain it if it is to happen. The main reason is NATO and defence. From the economic perspective it doesn’t make sense, majority of people can work and travel in a few countries and the local businesses can dodge taxes and work in a less safer way to keep the profits up.
So as a conclusion a lot of people will vote against it from many points.
Hopefully you can conclude something from my personal opinion. PS: I might be wrong and not educated enough to give more details or specify exactly what’s what. 👍👍👍
do you belive that romanians from RO are ready to pay the price of it ? Have you ever asked RO if they really wish this to happen ?
I don’t think most people realise the benefits of being directly integrated into the EU and NATO by means of unification.
I am both for unification or gradual integration. One is better and faster, but which ever the people choose is the best way.
Successful russification from 150 years of occupation+many deportations that happened after 1940 and many Russians settling in Moldova after ww2.
Percentages are completely wrong, but as high as they really are, I think few people consider the actual consequences if this unification is put in effect. I’ll leave the Kremlin out of this one, because fuck their opinions.
Even if the boarders disappear and Romania becomes one big territory, will people from Moldova simply agree to have their government disappear, and put everything in Bucharest’s hands? Will all the people forget the past, and act like they’re all compatriots?
Of course not. There will always be a social barrier. Sides will remain, and people will use the „us“ and „them“ references in daily conversations.
Then, if the public relations go really bad, the subject of independence is brought up and we’re basically back to square one.
because the ship has already sailed.
we had a chance to when we declared independence, but the Russophile Agrarian Party killed it and since then, its become more and more unlikely it will happen.
This data is either very old or fake. Its still not the majority, but close.
https://preview.redd.it/geaaajbhyyjf1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fef165ec3ef40fd15ba4abec4f3a72743b017f01
Source for those numbers?
Because they are rusian people not moldovean people
This is a fake subject brought up time and again by Kremlin’s lapdogs.
Unification of an EU country with a non-EU country is not possible. We (Romania) literally signed treaties that present borders remain as is.
Moldova would be far better joining EU on its own, and then we will be anyway virtually reunited, more connected than now.
Numbers would be a lot higher if we could escape Russian influence. But I do think that these are at around 50%.
It would be probably instant unification if Russia would disappear.
Foreigners really cannot grasp how much influence Russia still has through media and other shady channels like pro Russian politicians.
The Russian army in Transnistria is also something in the back of our mind.
As a Romanian who lived 20+ years close to the border with Republic of Moldova and who has lots of friends there I can tell you that lots of Moldovans(especially from the south side of Moldova) haven’t forgotten the time when Romanian army left Bessarabia without shooting a bullet after Ribbentrop-Molotov agreement and they feel until this day the betrayal that authorities from Bucharest did back in 1945. Moldovans suffered a lot from the Soviet social cleansing(lots of Moldovans being deported to Siberia) and Holodomor who also impacted them as well as Ukrainians.
Another episode of betrayal was in 1990-1991 during the conflict in Transnistria when Romanian authorities did nothing for Moldovans when they were invaded by Russia(and honestly what could they do?).
Nowadays Moldovans from the Republic of Moldova are being called „Russians“ by the eastern Romanians.
With all this disrespect from Romania, do you believe they still want unification? As an eastern Romanian I would like to see them back to the homeland as Romania also belongs to them but I also understand why they don’t want to come back home.
I’m a portuguese who knows the history and been visiting Romania every year (currently in Barlad) since 2000. I have also been to Moldova more than once.
There is no doubt in my mind that Moldova should be part of Romania. It just makes sense geographically, culturally and historically.
I think it will happen eventually. Until then Romania should strive to be as friendly as possible with Moldova. More can and should be done
The map is severely outdated. It’s somewhere at 38% for unification in R. Moldova in most polls on this topic. But not enough to reach the 50% threshold. There are multiple reasons why it’s not above 50%, from russian/soviet propaganda and brainwashing, to Russia financing a lot of traitors from political parties, media and church to divide the society, to some people getting attached to this state no matter how it was born and how efficient it is (some people prefer the bad they are already used to instead of trying something new), 20-30% of the population is a russophone minority brought in by Russia/USSR so they are loyal to Moscow, etc, etc, etc.
200 years of russian propaganda do that to you
Why not unify with Ukraine?
What’s the cutoff line?
What about transnistria? What about majority Russian/Ukranian speakers in various regions? What about Gagausia?
Honestly, as a Romanian, I don’t even care. I woukd welcome Moldavians if they want to unite with us, but I’m also totally fine with them being separated. It does kind of make sense fir these 2 countries to be united, but I don’t think forcing it would be any good.
Now, what I don’t really understand is why some of them opose vehemently to unification. Like wtf, do you like the state of your country? Romania is by no means a “top tier” country, but economically we are lightyears ahead.
Question for Moldavians who opose unification and are pro Russia. Has this benefited you in any way shape or form? Especially people from Transnistria, that place looks like a literal shithole. Why are your russian friends not helping developing your “country”? What’s so bad about Romania or the west that you desperately want to be on the russian sphere of influence?
as a Romanian I don’t support unification with Moldova either
For the same reasons Northern Ireland, Flanders and Wallonia don’t.
Propaganda rusească
Russian, ukrainian and tatar ethnics are against, while moldavians(romanian ethnics are very divided due to the political rulling party)
PS: is just a personal humble opinion, as a romanian living in romania(not moldavian)
Lately the mainstream mass media in both Romania andMoldova are pushing the idea that any debate about unification is something far-right/ non-euroean/pro-putin etc
They like Romanian passports but not Romania.
Russian propaganda post. Move along.
I don’t think that the percentage in Romania is true. It’s way to high.
Probably because some old farts will be deprived of the trough or risk ending up in jail.
I’d be interested to see a source for those numbers, I’m familiar with the Romania-Moldova, France-Wallonia and Netherlands-Flanders situations and they all see off.
I’m not sure this map is accurate at all. I doubt 58% of people in France care about annexing Wallonia, for example, sure most French know „people speak French in Belgium“ but I’m pretty sure average French don’t even know what is Wallonia or don’t even know Belgium has multiple languages.
60% of Moldova is Russia
Nice try Putin!
Why do you think the percentage is that freaking high in Romania? Because it is not. We don t need Transnistria or Gagauzia.
After the revolution in Romania, sometime during Iliescus‘ term, Moldova offered to unite with Romania but he refused, signed a treaty with Russia, and that led to the war in Moldova over Transnistria. Thank goodness he finally died
Only dumb ppl say these are fake stats.Moldova ppl dont really want to be part of Romania
Lingering pro-Russian sentiment. The polls have shifted dramatically in recent years though, and now nearly half of Moldovans support unification, with that number expected to grow.
Russian propaganda
It probably counts transnistria, big part of it, where lives non-moldavian (ukr+rus) majority. Transnistria is just a part of Ukraine that soviets named Moldova to have „right“ to occupy Moldova. Most of it was never Moldova before soviets. And nowadays people there are the most soviet lovers in the world, so are against Romania
And yeah Russian influence+minorities. Local minorities of gagauz and bulgarians do not like romania/moldova unification – they may lose even more autonomy.
Among ethnic Moldovans/Romanians it’s probably more than 50%.
Piggybackin on this post to ask a question.
What is the trend between younger (<35years) population?
For me (as a Romanian but with relatives in what is now R. Moldova from before WW2) there is no question that we are actually the same country, language and people.
The soviets tried to create a soviet republic but at it’s core it is still Romania .Now, there are some voices of the ethnic Russian population that do not want to be assimilated and these must be listened to.
The Russian army (as small as it is) does not belong in the republic by any means and will not hold for long (I am in Romania but still can’t figure out how they get supplies/replacements except from the native population in the so called Transnistria republic).
Unrelated but there should be a movement to unite Catalan speaking spain with andorra
I do think these figures are accurate.