I refuse to believe all of these worldwide attacks on internet privacy happening at the same time
ckdx_ on
Pretty grim reading. No doubt it’ll change a lot before it starts to go down the legislation path, but the intent and direction is undeniably terrifying.
BeardedStegosaurus on
Ah „future proof“ – so impossible…
JakeCheese1996 on
Never install or update your OS or update apps?
Some piece of software will be installed on future devices to allow direct access to your data before it gets encrypted. Permanent Law Intercept on device level..
StupidestOfThemAll on
Seriously, who are these fucks that keep proposing this bullshit? Better expand the prison space and actually give dangerous people longer sentences instead of proposing something that can get into the hands of right wing lunatics, but tbf, it doesn‘t seem like these eu politicians are sane people that work for civilians.
yxhuvud on
I don’t see that one passing the courts – tries to implement earlier data retention acts has repeatedly been struck down and this one seems way worse in every way.
vornamemitd on
Removal of encryption for phone backups, age verification to protect and monitor government/lobbying interests rather than children, ChatControl 2.0, now legally mandated hardware backdoors everywhere? Aside from the obligatory „WCGW“ – when are we finally dropping the collective „nothing to hide“ fallacy and stand up against this? This tech is not being introduced to protect us. Please!
isignupforstuff on
Sure why not do the same for everyone’s home? This is insane.
FreakyFranklinBill on
totalitarian government at the doorstep. no more need to point fingers at russia or china.
graphical_molerat on
Straight from the *“it’s not totalitarian horseshit if we are doing it!“* department. Utterly sickening.
casper_pwnz on
Wonder what’s the company behind this…
VentsiBeast on
All devices „sold in the EU“. Boy the Amazon US is gonna have a hard time fulfilling all the orders for phones to the EU.
In practice, they have already **torn the proposal to pieces**, but the conclusions of our dear experts are that it is a wonderful idea and the commission must implement it as soon as possible ignoring the observer concerns of unlawfulness.
Blatantly ongoing lobbying effort.
snowsuit101 on
This plan only violates international human rights, but who cares, right?
Also, „lawful access“ is a textbook example of doublespeak, they’re hiding behind it as if it meant anything from an entity that already proved they’re willing to go to the extremes.
This HLG should be brought to the light and they with their supporters should be permanently barred from holding any political position.
Dotcaprachiappa on
I remember when a lack of transparency was the problem, now it’s all open for everyone to see but nobody gives a shit.
Chun--Chun2 on
Soooo, Europeans will no longer use European market solutions for communication. Nice. Offshore all the data, because you deny people privacy 🙂
People will hand over data to the Chinese government any day, rather than their own government, because the Chinese government won’t put them in sail for criticizing the local government, but the local government will – see UK for present day proof.
L-Malvo on
Sure, let’s add that to the security and privacy nightmare in the making.
Just like with chat control, politicians don’t think about the security loopholes they are creating to be exploited against themselves (maybe reasoning it as something that can harm them is beneficial to the cause).
Don’t they care that if they buy a new phone, it will have this „lawful access by design“ bullshit included? Or their security cameras in their houses, or their new smart TV? Any additional vulnerability added to software can be exploited. How long before we see videos of politicians published online having sex with their mistresses or jerking off or simply discussing something they felt was in private? How long before these politicians will be extorted using this law?
Even if the politicians are in favor of more control and government oversight, why would they want to impose this shit on themselves as well?
And no, they cannot create an exemption only for them. No product manufacturer is going to create two versions of the same product, no infrastructure will be setup to enable sales of the product version without spyware either. These politicians will just be sheep, like the rest of us, when it comes to vulnerabilities. Both in this proposal as well as chat control and the other big brother bills.
Reinis_LV on
This will be so abused by music, gaming and movie industry to fine anyone.
enemyboatspotted_ on
Actually North Korea might have less control than this
MarquisThule on
So whats supposed to be so evil about China then? With this there’s hardly any difference.
danvla on
I never heard any comments from them on the fact that they create the most desirable thing in a crime world ever: a skeleton key. It will eventually be created. Absolutely no way in hell it isn’t considered by someone! And when it will be created they are not gonna announce it, it will be a collossal security breach that will be absolutely silent
witness_smile on
It’s like the EU is on a course to turn everyone into a eurosceptic. For all the great the EU has offered its citizens in terms of consumer protection and privacy regulations, these chat control and blatant privacy violations undo all of that.
Axelwickm on
Talk with everyone you know. Then we protest.
JumpRecent163 on
Fck them all. It’s not about kids – it’s about pernament invigilation and control.
MelonBananasAnanas on
Is this how fast we forget Stasi and free europa?
Mean_Wear_742 on
Fuck this. The idea of the eu was about freedom not the opposite
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Source is [Recommendations of the High Level Group on Access to Data for Effective Law Enforcement](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/document/download/1105a0ef-535c-44a7-a6d4-a8478fce1d29_en)
You can see the EU quoting that horrible plan everywhere
First link on this page https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/networks/high-level-group-hlg-access-data-effective-law-enforcement_en
And here
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/internal-security/lawful-access-data/data-retention_en
Here too
https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/internal-security/lawful-access-data_en
EU launched a new impact assesment on this plan too, and they are asking for feedback
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/14680-Impact-assessment-on-retention-of-data-by-service-providers-for-criminal-proceedings-/public-consultation_en
I refuse to believe all of these worldwide attacks on internet privacy happening at the same time
Pretty grim reading. No doubt it’ll change a lot before it starts to go down the legislation path, but the intent and direction is undeniably terrifying.
Ah „future proof“ – so impossible…
Never install or update your OS or update apps?
Some piece of software will be installed on future devices to allow direct access to your data before it gets encrypted. Permanent Law Intercept on device level..
Seriously, who are these fucks that keep proposing this bullshit? Better expand the prison space and actually give dangerous people longer sentences instead of proposing something that can get into the hands of right wing lunatics, but tbf, it doesn‘t seem like these eu politicians are sane people that work for civilians.
I don’t see that one passing the courts – tries to implement earlier data retention acts has repeatedly been struck down and this one seems way worse in every way.
Removal of encryption for phone backups, age verification to protect and monitor government/lobbying interests rather than children, ChatControl 2.0, now legally mandated hardware backdoors everywhere? Aside from the obligatory „WCGW“ – when are we finally dropping the collective „nothing to hide“ fallacy and stand up against this? This tech is not being introduced to protect us. Please!
Sure why not do the same for everyone’s home? This is insane.
totalitarian government at the doorstep. no more need to point fingers at russia or china.
Straight from the *“it’s not totalitarian horseshit if we are doing it!“* department. Utterly sickening.
Wonder what’s the company behind this…
All devices „sold in the EU“. Boy the Amazon US is gonna have a hard time fulfilling all the orders for phones to the EU.
First of all : Go and leave a feedback [https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/14680-Impact-assessment-on-retention-of-data-by-service-providers-for-criminal-proceedings-/public-consultation_en](https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/14680-Impact-assessment-on-retention-of-data-by-service-providers-for-criminal-proceedings-/public-consultation_en)
then read the documents from the observer bodies :
[https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/document/download/4572a321-1657-4f5b-a14b-509520207720_en?filename=Written%20submission%20EDR.pdf](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/document/download/4572a321-1657-4f5b-a14b-509520207720_en?filename=Written%20submission%20EDR.pdf)
[https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/document/download/5cb30e40-43aa-4841-8771-6f6ddea2f7a1_en?filename=Written%20submission%20CCBE.pdf](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/document/download/5cb30e40-43aa-4841-8771-6f6ddea2f7a1_en?filename=Written%20submission%20CCBE.pdf)
[https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/document/download/b316e526-610f-40cc-b465-87b8f9477a2f_en?filename=Written%20submission%20EuroISPA.pdf](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/document/download/b316e526-610f-40cc-b465-87b8f9477a2f_en?filename=Written%20submission%20EuroISPA.pdf)
In practice, they have already **torn the proposal to pieces**, but the conclusions of our dear experts are that it is a wonderful idea and the commission must implement it as soon as possible ignoring the observer concerns of unlawfulness.
Blatantly ongoing lobbying effort.
This plan only violates international human rights, but who cares, right?
Also, „lawful access“ is a textbook example of doublespeak, they’re hiding behind it as if it meant anything from an entity that already proved they’re willing to go to the extremes.
This HLG should be brought to the light and they with their supporters should be permanently barred from holding any political position.
I remember when a lack of transparency was the problem, now it’s all open for everyone to see but nobody gives a shit.
Soooo, Europeans will no longer use European market solutions for communication. Nice. Offshore all the data, because you deny people privacy 🙂
People will hand over data to the Chinese government any day, rather than their own government, because the Chinese government won’t put them in sail for criticizing the local government, but the local government will – see UK for present day proof.
Sure, let’s add that to the security and privacy nightmare in the making.
Just like with chat control, politicians don’t think about the security loopholes they are creating to be exploited against themselves (maybe reasoning it as something that can harm them is beneficial to the cause).
Don’t they care that if they buy a new phone, it will have this „lawful access by design“ bullshit included? Or their security cameras in their houses, or their new smart TV? Any additional vulnerability added to software can be exploited. How long before we see videos of politicians published online having sex with their mistresses or jerking off or simply discussing something they felt was in private? How long before these politicians will be extorted using this law?
Even if the politicians are in favor of more control and government oversight, why would they want to impose this shit on themselves as well?
And no, they cannot create an exemption only for them. No product manufacturer is going to create two versions of the same product, no infrastructure will be setup to enable sales of the product version without spyware either. These politicians will just be sheep, like the rest of us, when it comes to vulnerabilities. Both in this proposal as well as chat control and the other big brother bills.
This will be so abused by music, gaming and movie industry to fine anyone.
Actually North Korea might have less control than this
So whats supposed to be so evil about China then? With this there’s hardly any difference.
I never heard any comments from them on the fact that they create the most desirable thing in a crime world ever: a skeleton key. It will eventually be created. Absolutely no way in hell it isn’t considered by someone! And when it will be created they are not gonna announce it, it will be a collossal security breach that will be absolutely silent
It’s like the EU is on a course to turn everyone into a eurosceptic. For all the great the EU has offered its citizens in terms of consumer protection and privacy regulations, these chat control and blatant privacy violations undo all of that.
Talk with everyone you know. Then we protest.
Fck them all. It’s not about kids – it’s about pernament invigilation and control.
Is this how fast we forget Stasi and free europa?
Fuck this. The idea of the eu was about freedom not the opposite