Oh good, history really does rhyme, except this time we don’t even get the optimism of the deficit slayers narrative. It’s just more cuts on top of cuts, a country that already feels smaller and meaner than it did in the 90s, and now we’re supposed to swallow it again under Carney like it’s medicine.
Routine_Soup2022 on
Fortunately a massive cohort of people is also coming up for retirement. They’re likely going to re-arrange departments and eliminate positions but they’re not sending large numbers of people out the door in mass firings like we’re seeing down south. The only real losers will be public service unions who have to budget for reduced union dues revenues.
The federal public service has dramatically increased over the last decade. It’s a great time for a haircut and some efficiencies. This won’t be that bad.
Chrétien won 3 successive majority governments by the way. The economy performed well during his tenure. Hell of a politician. If Carney could be half of Chrétien we’d be doing fine. it’s a good parallel because Chrétien dug of a tough period in the economy and ended up riding the wave of 10 years where the economy did very well.
I’m not sure that politicians can take blame or credit for the economy all the time, as these things tend to be cyclic but a good economy coincided with Chrétien.
OntLawyer on
It’s a good article, but I’m surprised they managed to write the article without the obvious elephant in the room… the cost of Canadian government borrowing has now risen to what it was at the tail end of the Chretien era, and continues to rise: [Selected bond yields – Bank of Canada](https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/interest-rates/canadian-bonds/) Basically the government’s finances are going to be squeezed just like they were in the Chretien era, except this time we’ve got all the tariff troubles layered on top of that.
It’s not going to be an easy decade.
OttoVonDisraeli on
This should not surprise anyone as Justin Trudeau’s government spending was not sustainable in the long-term. Course correction is required and unfortunately that means austerity. Reckless spending today often means austerity tomorrow.
JudahMaccabee on
Hard to justify the Liberals proposed increase in military spending (over $170bn) in an era of austerity. Especially if sums of that money just boost the bottom line of American defense contractors.
If the Liberals are so certain that we’re under threat from Russia or China, they should just pursue a nuclear weapons program.
ThankYouTruckers on
He plans to spend $486B this year with tens of billions in deficit. That’s „austerity“? Thanks for the humour this morning, but he’s running an even bigger deficit than the one that ended Trudeau’s government. Just because you write it in a headline doesn’t make it true.
Le1bn1z on
There’s some common misconceptions at play when people say Carney is pushing a turn towards „Austerity“ and away from Trudeau’s „runaway spending“.
First, Trudeau was not nearly as spendthrift as people think, even in the 2020’s when the deficit really took off.
Let’s start with a little bit of context: Canadian fiscal policy is a little bit messier than that for a lot of countries because of being so tied into the American economy. If you taxes get too far higher than America’s, it’s far harder for a Canadian company to survive than it would be for, say, a French or Polish one that doesn’t face the same competition from a company that has CUSMA/NAFTA levels of access. Likewise, if the Canadian state fails to offer at least comparable services to America, we start to face major decline in capacity or labour force competition. That means our deficit will always to some extent reflect America’s.
With that in mind, Trudeau’s economic policy was downright Scrooge-like in its restraint – at least in the global context. During his tenure, Canada had the lowest deficit to GDP ratio in the G7, and with the exception of Germany it was never even close. In 2023, Canada’s was between <0.5-2%, depending on how you measure. This compares to Germany at 2.3-3%, the UK at 4.4%, and Japan, France, Italy, and the United States, each at 6-7% (in other worlds, 6-7 cents of every dollar spent in their economies was government deficit spending(!!!)). This while America every four years started setting new peacetime records in deficit to GDP ratios of debt accumulation.
Proposals to deviate from this is what prompted Freeland to resign.
Then there’s Carney’s supposed „Austerity“. He’s proposed no such thing.
Austerity refers to a policy where a government narrows the deficit by cutting spending and/or raising- or at least freezing – taxes. The effects of Austerity are usually some form of economic contraction in the short term as both private and public spending decrease. The goal with an Austerity policy is that efficiency will mean the deficit will reduce faster than the economy slows, and in the medium term that will spur more healthy economy growth or at least a sustainable economy.
None of this describes Carney’s policies. He has cut taxes and is proposing big increases in spending.
Carney has cut tax because, see point one, he knows Canada cannot impose *too* much more of a burden than America does. While he will balk at running a Trump style YOLO-Peronists-only-have-rookie-numbers deficit, he understands the need to take some fiscal hits to not fall too far behind.
He is also proposing a significant increase in government expenditures, especially on housing, infrastructure, and defense.
What some people call „Austerity“ is Carney redirecting spending from some current operating programs, including Crown corporation support, to new spending priorities.
Significantly, Carney is *not* proposing cuts to Canada’s biggest social spending programs: OAS and social and health transfers to provinces, which together add up to well over half of all government spending. Cuts in these areas would normally be expected as part of any real „Austerity“ drive.
The overall effect that he is aiming for is a degree of deficit fueled economic expansion, which has its own pitfalls. Given America’s goal to double their debt in 10 or fewer years, though, he doesn’t really have much of a choice.
erstwhileinfidel on
I think too many people think „they balanced the budget“ and didn’t live through those times. They kind of uncritically laud the Liberals for wrecking large parts of the welfare state and reducing the standard of living for most Canadians.
The ramifications of those cuts were deep and are still felt today. It essentially remade the relationship between the federal and provincial governments, and not for the better.
It was probably necessary. But all those shortfalls we’re experiencing now are a direct result of those cuts. You can’t get a doctor partly because of Paul Martin’s accomplishment.
Again, it was probably necessary and might be again, but it’s going to be really bad for Canadians, and things are already really bad.
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Oh good, history really does rhyme, except this time we don’t even get the optimism of the deficit slayers narrative. It’s just more cuts on top of cuts, a country that already feels smaller and meaner than it did in the 90s, and now we’re supposed to swallow it again under Carney like it’s medicine.
Fortunately a massive cohort of people is also coming up for retirement. They’re likely going to re-arrange departments and eliminate positions but they’re not sending large numbers of people out the door in mass firings like we’re seeing down south. The only real losers will be public service unions who have to budget for reduced union dues revenues.
The federal public service has dramatically increased over the last decade. It’s a great time for a haircut and some efficiencies. This won’t be that bad.
Chrétien won 3 successive majority governments by the way. The economy performed well during his tenure. Hell of a politician. If Carney could be half of Chrétien we’d be doing fine. it’s a good parallel because Chrétien dug of a tough period in the economy and ended up riding the wave of 10 years where the economy did very well.
I’m not sure that politicians can take blame or credit for the economy all the time, as these things tend to be cyclic but a good economy coincided with Chrétien.
It’s a good article, but I’m surprised they managed to write the article without the obvious elephant in the room… the cost of Canadian government borrowing has now risen to what it was at the tail end of the Chretien era, and continues to rise: [Selected bond yields – Bank of Canada](https://www.bankofcanada.ca/rates/interest-rates/canadian-bonds/) Basically the government’s finances are going to be squeezed just like they were in the Chretien era, except this time we’ve got all the tariff troubles layered on top of that.
It’s not going to be an easy decade.
This should not surprise anyone as Justin Trudeau’s government spending was not sustainable in the long-term. Course correction is required and unfortunately that means austerity. Reckless spending today often means austerity tomorrow.
Hard to justify the Liberals proposed increase in military spending (over $170bn) in an era of austerity. Especially if sums of that money just boost the bottom line of American defense contractors.
If the Liberals are so certain that we’re under threat from Russia or China, they should just pursue a nuclear weapons program.
He plans to spend $486B this year with tens of billions in deficit. That’s „austerity“? Thanks for the humour this morning, but he’s running an even bigger deficit than the one that ended Trudeau’s government. Just because you write it in a headline doesn’t make it true.
There’s some common misconceptions at play when people say Carney is pushing a turn towards „Austerity“ and away from Trudeau’s „runaway spending“.
First, Trudeau was not nearly as spendthrift as people think, even in the 2020’s when the deficit really took off.
Let’s start with a little bit of context: Canadian fiscal policy is a little bit messier than that for a lot of countries because of being so tied into the American economy. If you taxes get too far higher than America’s, it’s far harder for a Canadian company to survive than it would be for, say, a French or Polish one that doesn’t face the same competition from a company that has CUSMA/NAFTA levels of access. Likewise, if the Canadian state fails to offer at least comparable services to America, we start to face major decline in capacity or labour force competition. That means our deficit will always to some extent reflect America’s.
With that in mind, Trudeau’s economic policy was downright Scrooge-like in its restraint – at least in the global context. During his tenure, Canada had the lowest deficit to GDP ratio in the G7, and with the exception of Germany it was never even close. In 2023, Canada’s was between <0.5-2%, depending on how you measure. This compares to Germany at 2.3-3%, the UK at 4.4%, and Japan, France, Italy, and the United States, each at 6-7% (in other worlds, 6-7 cents of every dollar spent in their economies was government deficit spending(!!!)). This while America every four years started setting new peacetime records in deficit to GDP ratios of debt accumulation.
Proposals to deviate from this is what prompted Freeland to resign.
Then there’s Carney’s supposed „Austerity“. He’s proposed no such thing.
Austerity refers to a policy where a government narrows the deficit by cutting spending and/or raising- or at least freezing – taxes. The effects of Austerity are usually some form of economic contraction in the short term as both private and public spending decrease. The goal with an Austerity policy is that efficiency will mean the deficit will reduce faster than the economy slows, and in the medium term that will spur more healthy economy growth or at least a sustainable economy.
None of this describes Carney’s policies. He has cut taxes and is proposing big increases in spending.
Carney has cut tax because, see point one, he knows Canada cannot impose *too* much more of a burden than America does. While he will balk at running a Trump style YOLO-Peronists-only-have-rookie-numbers deficit, he understands the need to take some fiscal hits to not fall too far behind.
He is also proposing a significant increase in government expenditures, especially on housing, infrastructure, and defense.
What some people call „Austerity“ is Carney redirecting spending from some current operating programs, including Crown corporation support, to new spending priorities.
Significantly, Carney is *not* proposing cuts to Canada’s biggest social spending programs: OAS and social and health transfers to provinces, which together add up to well over half of all government spending. Cuts in these areas would normally be expected as part of any real „Austerity“ drive.
The overall effect that he is aiming for is a degree of deficit fueled economic expansion, which has its own pitfalls. Given America’s goal to double their debt in 10 or fewer years, though, he doesn’t really have much of a choice.
I think too many people think „they balanced the budget“ and didn’t live through those times. They kind of uncritically laud the Liberals for wrecking large parts of the welfare state and reducing the standard of living for most Canadians.
The ramifications of those cuts were deep and are still felt today. It essentially remade the relationship between the federal and provincial governments, and not for the better.
It was probably necessary. But all those shortfalls we’re experiencing now are a direct result of those cuts. You can’t get a doctor partly because of Paul Martin’s accomplishment.
Again, it was probably necessary and might be again, but it’s going to be really bad for Canadians, and things are already really bad.