Ehemaliger IDF -Intel -Chef: 7. Oktober war „viel tiefer“ als ein Geheimdienstversagen
https://www.timesofisrael.com/former-idf-intel-chief-oct-7-was-much-deeper-than-an-intelligence-failure/
Ehemaliger IDF -Intel -Chef: 7. Oktober war „viel tiefer“ als ein Geheimdienstversagen
https://www.timesofisrael.com/former-idf-intel-chief-oct-7-was-much-deeper-than-an-intelligence-failure/
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Do tell
Of course the failing head of intelligence will blame someone else
>Turning to the war in Gaza that has been raging since October 2023, namely the high Palestinian death toll, Haliva said: “The fact that there are already 50,000 dead in Gaza is necessary and required for future generations.”
>While the recording was not dated by Channel 12, current Hamas-run Gaza health ministry figures put the death toll in the war at over 60,000. Hamas casualty figures cannot be independently verified and do not differentiate between civilians and combatants.
>“For everything that happened on October 7, for every person who was killed on October 7, 50 Palestinians must die,” he said.
>“I’m not speaking out of revenge, I’m speaking out of a message to future generations. There’s nothing to be done,” he charged. “They need a Nakba every now and then to feel the price. There’s no choice, in this disturbed neighborhood.”
Appalling.
I’m suspicious that the attack was known about in advance and it was allowed to happen so that the counterattack would be what we are seeing today
It reads as though he is trying to rehabilitate his image/reputation and position himself as a potential politician.
> “For everything that happened on October 7, for every person who was killed on October 7, 50 Palestinians must die,” he said.
Hmm. I wonder what this means!
> “I’m not speaking out of revenge, I’m speaking out of a message to future generations. There’s nothing to be done,” he charged. “They need a Nakba every now and then to feel the price. There’s no choice, in this disturbed neighborhood.”
I’m sure there’s some massively complex geopolitical four-dimensional Israeli super-chess going on here that explains why this is necessary! Definitely just some intricate cultural context I’m missing here that just isn’t explained. Has anyone checked The Times of Israel to see if they’re secretly Hamas agents or members of the antisemitic world order for exposing me to such brazenly antisemitic rhetoric?
Some quite outrageous statements in his ramblings, both from a pro-Palestinian point of view and from a pro-Israel point of view.
Among the most irritating:
– „The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is at the heart of the matter, because Hamas is good for Israel — that’s Smotrich’s argument”
– “The fact that there are already 50,000 dead in Gaza is necessary and required for future generations.”
– „They need a Nakba every now and then“
I will never believe that the IDF, one of the best-informed armies in the world, was unaware of the plan for the October 7 attack, or that they didn’t deliberately let it happen to use it as a pretext to take control of Gaza. Never.
So ppl’s big theory is that Israel completely gave up/left Gaza 20 years ago to yet again try “land for peace,” but they wanted this particular land back sooo badly that they let thousands of terrorists in to murder and kidnap an unknown amount of ppl…Knowing many of their own soldiers would die and they’d be blamed no matter what eventually? Insane
„It was a planned outage“
A major fuck up. It should have never happened
Fuck this bullshit thread. A few points:
**Haliva broadens blame beyond “intel failure.”** He says Oct. 7 was “much deeper,” recounts the night before the attack, and leans into systemic, political and conceptual failures—not just tradecraft.
**He explicitly criticizes Netanyahu** (for not resigning and for policy choices that, in his telling, “strengthened” Hamas to avoid negotiations/statehood). This dovetails with longstanding reporting that Netanyahu tolerated/channeled Qatar money into Gaza and accepted Hamas’s rule as a counterweight to the PA.
**He affirms an extreme deterrence logic** about Gaza casualties (the now-viral “50:1”/“Nakba every now and then” remarks), acknowledging most victims are civilians—an evidentiary landmine for Israel’s legal and diplomatic fronts. Israeli and international outlets have confirmed those quotes from the tapes.
Israel still hasn’t launched a full, independent **state commission of inquiry** into Oct. 7; the Attorney General and others are pushing hard, and every month that passes raises stakes for political and institutional actors. Airing Haliva’s tapes pressures for a commission and shapes public priors about whose failures were decisive.
These tapes normalize the premise that Oct. 7 was systemic, not just “intel missed a dot,” and that political leadership bears responsibility—bolstering demands for a state commission and resignations. This helps opposition parties, protest movements, and elements in the defense/intel establishment seeking institutional house-cleaning.
Dropping this **as AG pressure for a state commission crests and as hostage-deal diplomacy flickers** maximizes leverage. It corners the PM on both accountability (domestic) and credibility (international).
Prosecutors and petitioners can now cite a senior officer’s recorded statements on foreseeability, proportionality, and intent. (ICJ provisional-measures orders emphasize preventing incitement; ICC has been actively engaged on the “Situation in Palestine.”)
**This is most likely a** multi-vector leak intended to force accountability (state commission, resignations) and to fix the historical narrative on political culpability, even at the cost of embarrassing the security establishment and harming Israel’s legal stance.