Achten Sie darauf, was Sie sich wünschen. Wir haben unser Haus vor 15/16 Jahren renoviert. Die frühen Tage der Luft zu Wasserheizung. Unser System hat gut funktioniert … bis es nicht tat. Der Kompressor der Außeneinheit ging Anfang letzten Jahres und versuchte Monate, jemanden zu finden, der es ersetzt, oder die Outdoor -Einheit ohne Erfolg. Das System hat die Veralterung eingebaut.
Es wurde wiederholt gesagt, dass wir das gesamte System ersetzen müssten, da neuere Einheiten nicht mit den Steuerelementen kompatibel waren. Uns wurde auch gesagt, wir müssten die Inneneinheit und den Lagertank ersetzen.
Alles zu einem Preis von 15 bis 20.000 €. Ta f*ck
Also kontaktierten wir Kalorgas und bekamen einen freien Kessel, einen freien Tank, ein kostenloses Betonpolster, eine kostenlose Rohrleitung, einen kostenlosen Abgaskammer und einen freien Gasentank. Wir mussten die Rohrarbeitsanpassung im Anlagenraum, die Installation der Kessel und eine ständige Gebühr zu einem Preis von 7.000 € bezahlen. Kein Lagertank, sofortiges heißes Wasser und eine direkte Belastung für zukünftige Füllungen. Wenn Sie in Ihrem Haus Luft zu Wasser haben, sparen Sie für einen Ersatz, da Sie nach 14/15 Jahren sein werden.
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Von Cealtra
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Do you have any idea what impact this has on your BER? I can imagine some people with mortgages for A rated homes would end up having to dig deep for a new air to water system.
Name the heat pump system please.
Congrats on getting out of it.
I too have massive doubts about the medium and long term usefulness of these highly complicated systems.
You’ve paid the price of being an early adopter but we need more details to be sure!
More later. Busy this afternoon. Daikin
We got air to water installed in the UK earlier this year.
They ripped out the boiler, the old hot water tank, replaced every radiator in the house, installed the heat pump (including a lot of rewiring), a new hot water tank, all the new rads for the sum of…
£500.
Cheapest gas boiler British Gas offered was over £3k.
Different options are going to work out better or worse for different people at different times. In 15 years I’ve a feeling the costs of a replacement heat pump will be a lot less than the cost of a new one today, and in 15 years with Paris climate commitments approaching, a gas based system mightn’t even be an option.
You had an air to water systems for 15 years, likely saved the cost of it in running costs, and after 15 years it died?
What’s the life expectancy of a gas boiler anyways? Can’t imagine that’d be much more than 15 years. And gas is very vulnerable to price hikes. Price of gas long term is only going one way.
Not sure which air to water system you got but Dimplex are a bunch of cunts. Their air source (the outside bit) burned out after a little over 3 years and they refused to fix it and said go to a heat pump repair contractor and hopefully it won’t be too expensive. Turns out that 4 other units literally in the same estate and same model of air source system had the exact same issue on the exact same weekend. In the end after I said I’d report them to the CCPC, ombudsman or take them to small claims court to get it replaced they said „as an act of goodwill we will replace it for you but from now on you will have to take care of it“. Turns out that not only did the outdoor unit blow up it actually blew up the matching indoor control board and Dimplex themselves mandated that both be replaced in every system getting replaced.
I then looked into the board with an electrical engineer friend and he said the board that fried was actual junk that a 1st year electrical engineer should know had shite electrical isolation. I didn’t get a good look at the replacement board but it definitely is a different rev of the board so I’d assume they have actually fixed the issue later. Also the replacement cost was going to be around 2.5k ish for all the work needed done and this was just like 4 months out of warranty. l’m glad they fixed it but any time anyone says anything about Dimplex for at least the near future I’m going to say they are a bunch of fucking cunts.
I’ll still say getting a heat pump is a great idea but I’d definitely go with some other brand. Samsung are apparently really good but they do air to air systems rather than air to water.
Air to Water heat pump has a life span of 15-20 years. So replacing the whole system was due, maybe a year or two earlier but still due
Have you managed to work out the savings over the 15/16 years with the A2W?
Have you managed to identify the costs of the gas boiler over the next 15/16 years
My brother was early adopter as well, would have installed circa 2005/6 and it went bang last year. He done a full replacement of the A2W with a newer system and the increase in effiency has amazed him as the newer systems are better so he is even saving more compared to a solid fuel system.
By the way „free“, no such thing, you are going to pay alot for those „free“ items
Also everyone with A2W should be saving for a new system in 15/20 years, I thought people knew this?
I don’t understand why it would be so expensive, even if both indoor and outdoor needed replacement. Heat pumps are expensive like 6k but not that expensive.
The whole grant thing has completely inflated the market
It was a 16KW unit. Dual Fan outside. Night rate electricity. Totally underfloor heating. It was Easyscreed which was a mixture of potash and sand pumped in as a slurry. Thermally very efficient and would heat up when we ran it for 6/7 hours every night, releasing the heat during the day. Some houses have concrete floors and might have to run the a2w a lot more to keep them heated. Bills were €1000/1100 per quarter in winter, before the big electricity price rises during the war
Lad did you not sit down and work out the total costs over the expected life time of both systems?
Don’t listen to these people. Get a grant vortex.
I’ll restate that we attempted to get it repaired but couldn’t get anyone to do it, despite many calls, emails and that’s including the Daikin service centre who took the details and never replied. It was not economic to repair and as another poster commented earlier who has €15/20K lying around nowadays. We embraced the Calor gift horse gladly. The cost of the gas will always be a little more expensive but electricity is also.
yes you need to upgrade systems after 10-15 years , this is common sense , like most systems hey wont last forever
( this isnt taking in to effect the saving you got over those 15 years )
>Was repeatedly told that we’d have to replace the whole system as newer units weren’t compatible with the controls
yes technology changes
this is like complaining you have to rewire part of the house when your upgrading / renovating said part of the house, building standards change this isnt new
I am using combi gas also. It’s been a bit of a pain since I had to change from bulk tank to cylinder (safety issue apparently) but they deliver the cylinders to the house so it’s not too bad. In the coldest part of winter I have to order two large cylinders a month (house is old as shit and thermally useless).
Our boiler is also hydrogen ready so when that or blended gas becomes available then it should be considered renewable energy. Also, gas combi boilers are extremely efficient, over 90%, and as you say the footprint is very small and no DHW tank needed.
I think instead of slating the idea of going back to gas everyone should consider the needs of the user / property.
Such environmentally friendly, much conservation, wow
Are you sure you didn’t just take the short term gain for the long term drain?
A cylinder can be heated from many different heat sources….no reason to take one out because you couldn’t get the parts for what must be an obscure brand of heat pump…As you chose a combi boiler to replace it then that’s a different matter.
Unfortunately there was a lot of iffy brands of heat pump imported into Ireland in the earlier days and I’m sorry but it sounds like you got landed with one….
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