idiotic diplomacy strikes again. It’s a non starter deal that NATO will never sign off on. so… Might as well leak it so Putin can have a good laugh.
narsfweasels on
>A ceasefire in Ukraine, though not a full peace agreement.
>De facto recognition of the territories occupied by Russia through deferral of the issue for either 49 or 99 years.
>The lifting of most of the sanctions imposed on Russia and, in the long term, a return to energy cooperation – namely imports of Russian gas and oil.
Bugs Bunny: „No.“
Sweatytubesock on
Trump didn’t fix this on day 1? Promises made, promises broken. Release the Trump/ Epstein files.
faffc260 on
every day trump handles foriegn policy for america is more trust in america destroyed that will take decades to repair if it’s remotely possible….this deal would never be considered by a competent leader.
abc123DohRayMe on
The only way to deal with a dictator is by strength.
GuitarGeezer on
Would this be the same Trump who handed part of Kursk back to Putin by blacking out intel and helping in the killing of Ukrainians to remove a major bargaining chip? That visibly doddering fool and his lackey Witkoff who both quote Putin lovingly to Putin to the point it pushes into homoeroticism? That Trump and Witkoff? Why would anybody expect Russia to respect them and stop a war they cant really stop without regime change? Russian state media has openly mocked the inexperienced little league level of childish Trump foreign policy. Not saying he isn’t dangerous, but not that dangerous to bad guys. Mostly involved in own goals.
Psychological-Bed543 on
Everyone likes to doompost so they won’t notice the giant ? that could be a very huge win here in these alleged terms.
*However, the proposal reportedly includes no guarantees against NATO expansion – one of Moscow’s consistent demands.*
Specifically it was stated no guarantee that NATO would stop expanding after any ceasefire was put in place. Russia has been consistently demanding NATO expansion is off the table and it not being mentioned here is very surprising. Which makes it feel like there is more being left out since why would Russia agree to these terms, its basically what they already have taken, sanctions removed later on at an undisclosed date, and Ukraine might even join NATO anyway?
Slave35 on
Soooo everything Putin could possibly want?
*Checks notes*
Yup.
Melbourenite1 on
Nothing is getting done. Trump is not up to the job. Ukraine wants Russia off it’s land and that’s the way it will be. There is no other way to obtain peace. He is making things worse and telling the world he is an amatuer. Putin has got Trump just where he wants him.
LargeRichard316 on
Let’s not be surprised here, the „Art of the Deal“ negotiations are very simple…if you are stronger, you get whatever you want and do whatever you want; if you are weaker, you give the stronger whatever they want and thank them for being so fair and generous to you. That’s why Trump has been so anti-Ukraine – the country and their leader should have caved immediately and done whatever Putin wanted…just like he did/does. It upsets his order of things for the bullied to fight back.
depressing-dependent on
A golden deal for the country that is on the verge of collapse because THEY STARTED THE WAR. No thanks. Enjoy the collapse of your entire country fuckers.
Atalantean on
That photo, wow. Trump’s fake smile has to be the most punchable face on the planet.
baltosteve on
Funny how Trump got all squishy after Medeved implied kompromat videos.
desertrat75 on
Uzbekistan has demanded full control of New York, Rhode Island, and Virginia. The president of Egypt is willing to accept these conditions, pending agreement on a oil pipeline being built between the two nations.
How the fuck is this *any* different?
time_drifter on
Trump would be a dealers dream. They could sell him baking soda mixed with crushed smarties and tell him it is coke. Just an unbelievably stupid rapist, BUT a perfect mascot for Republican voters.
SurveyHand on
Well this sounds fair…. DJT
FeistyTie5281 on
Dumb fuck isn’t ever getting out from his violent pedophile legacy.
Puzzleheaded_Idea379 on
Since when does Trump speak for Ukraine? They will never accept this. It’s a Russian made deal that will fail, per usual.
booya-grandma on
Epstein
Surprise_Special on
Trump will say, „All Ukraine will have to do is give up all its land that Russia wants. What a deal! 🙂
AdvanceConnect3054 on
Stupid proposal. The real deal should be Russia going back to 2022 pre-invasion territory in return of US and Ukraine pledging not to expand Nato.
MightyTaur on
Basically, let Putin get the Ukrainian territory he occupies and lift all sanktions on Russian, so Trump can buy Russisn oil&gas.
So Trump bent his knee and kissed Putins feet. Again.
Prize_Proof5332 on
So , a total surrender, why would the Ukrainians agree to that?
dkillers303 on
That’s wild…
So, what about the Epstein files?
Suspicious-Hornet583 on
If Russia learned one thing before any other nation, its no never trust the Americans.
PoliticalDanger on
Seems to me that this basically puts a pause on things for Russia to be able to make money just to be able to ramp up and do this again down the road.
RexxerFlexington on
What a shit offer. Krasnov up to his old tricks.
ChechBETA on
Read Serhii Plokhy’s „The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History“ and you will know why this ‚proposal‘ or any proposal that comes from the gremlin doesn’t work.. This shit is just blatant lies.. fuck them
hellranger788 on
Honestly, I really hope Ukraine pulls through. Idk if they’ll ever get those stolen territories back unless something serious changes, but if they lose, then im sure my generation will have to fight WW3 when Russia INEVITABLY tries something again. I was rooting for the poles to get involved since I doubt they’d want Russia as a neighbor again, but I guess fear of a wider conflict is strong, and rightfully so.
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idiotic diplomacy strikes again. It’s a non starter deal that NATO will never sign off on. so… Might as well leak it so Putin can have a good laugh.
>A ceasefire in Ukraine, though not a full peace agreement.
>De facto recognition of the territories occupied by Russia through deferral of the issue for either 49 or 99 years.
>The lifting of most of the sanctions imposed on Russia and, in the long term, a return to energy cooperation – namely imports of Russian gas and oil.
Bugs Bunny: „No.“
Trump didn’t fix this on day 1? Promises made, promises broken. Release the Trump/ Epstein files.
every day trump handles foriegn policy for america is more trust in america destroyed that will take decades to repair if it’s remotely possible….this deal would never be considered by a competent leader.
The only way to deal with a dictator is by strength.
Would this be the same Trump who handed part of Kursk back to Putin by blacking out intel and helping in the killing of Ukrainians to remove a major bargaining chip? That visibly doddering fool and his lackey Witkoff who both quote Putin lovingly to Putin to the point it pushes into homoeroticism? That Trump and Witkoff? Why would anybody expect Russia to respect them and stop a war they cant really stop without regime change? Russian state media has openly mocked the inexperienced little league level of childish Trump foreign policy. Not saying he isn’t dangerous, but not that dangerous to bad guys. Mostly involved in own goals.
Everyone likes to doompost so they won’t notice the giant ? that could be a very huge win here in these alleged terms.
*However, the proposal reportedly includes no guarantees against NATO expansion – one of Moscow’s consistent demands.*
Specifically it was stated no guarantee that NATO would stop expanding after any ceasefire was put in place. Russia has been consistently demanding NATO expansion is off the table and it not being mentioned here is very surprising. Which makes it feel like there is more being left out since why would Russia agree to these terms, its basically what they already have taken, sanctions removed later on at an undisclosed date, and Ukraine might even join NATO anyway?
Soooo everything Putin could possibly want?
*Checks notes*
Yup.
Nothing is getting done. Trump is not up to the job. Ukraine wants Russia off it’s land and that’s the way it will be. There is no other way to obtain peace. He is making things worse and telling the world he is an amatuer. Putin has got Trump just where he wants him.
Let’s not be surprised here, the „Art of the Deal“ negotiations are very simple…if you are stronger, you get whatever you want and do whatever you want; if you are weaker, you give the stronger whatever they want and thank them for being so fair and generous to you. That’s why Trump has been so anti-Ukraine – the country and their leader should have caved immediately and done whatever Putin wanted…just like he did/does. It upsets his order of things for the bullied to fight back.
A golden deal for the country that is on the verge of collapse because THEY STARTED THE WAR. No thanks. Enjoy the collapse of your entire country fuckers.
That photo, wow. Trump’s fake smile has to be the most punchable face on the planet.
Funny how Trump got all squishy after Medeved implied kompromat videos.
Uzbekistan has demanded full control of New York, Rhode Island, and Virginia. The president of Egypt is willing to accept these conditions, pending agreement on a oil pipeline being built between the two nations.
How the fuck is this *any* different?
Trump would be a dealers dream. They could sell him baking soda mixed with crushed smarties and tell him it is coke. Just an unbelievably stupid rapist, BUT a perfect mascot for Republican voters.
Well this sounds fair…. DJT
Dumb fuck isn’t ever getting out from his violent pedophile legacy.
Since when does Trump speak for Ukraine? They will never accept this. It’s a Russian made deal that will fail, per usual.
Epstein
Trump will say, „All Ukraine will have to do is give up all its land that Russia wants. What a deal! 🙂
Stupid proposal. The real deal should be Russia going back to 2022 pre-invasion territory in return of US and Ukraine pledging not to expand Nato.
Basically, let Putin get the Ukrainian territory he occupies and lift all sanktions on Russian, so Trump can buy Russisn oil&gas.
So Trump bent his knee and kissed Putins feet. Again.
So , a total surrender, why would the Ukrainians agree to that?
That’s wild…
So, what about the Epstein files?
If Russia learned one thing before any other nation, its no never trust the Americans.
Seems to me that this basically puts a pause on things for Russia to be able to make money just to be able to ramp up and do this again down the road.
What a shit offer. Krasnov up to his old tricks.
Read Serhii Plokhy’s „The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History“ and you will know why this ‚proposal‘ or any proposal that comes from the gremlin doesn’t work.. This shit is just blatant lies.. fuck them
Honestly, I really hope Ukraine pulls through. Idk if they’ll ever get those stolen territories back unless something serious changes, but if they lose, then im sure my generation will have to fight WW3 when Russia INEVITABLY tries something again. I was rooting for the poles to get involved since I doubt they’d want Russia as a neighbor again, but I guess fear of a wider conflict is strong, and rightfully so.