I like AOC, but please, our nation has proven again and again that it’s incredibly sexist and would rather be lead by a rapist pedophile than a woman. I don’t like it, I would definitely vote for her, but I have zero faith that the electorate has evolved enough to make it happen.
JoJosMagicJumper on
The woman couldnt even get a committee seat, because Nancy Pelosi and other higher up members of the party fucked her out of it. Rallying to make sue some 75 year old man with cancer got the seat instead. And he fucking died 4 months later. Guess who is still not in the seat…
The corruption at the top of that party needs to die of extreme old age, or be finally pushed off into long overdue retirement.
Ok-Garcia-5605 on
I feel she should go for senate and kick Schumer out of the Senate. Prove to everyone she can win State wide election and not just some Strong Blue district. Also she’ll get more chance to showcase herself in the senate with Senate hearings etc
Notgoodatfakenames2 on
I would vote for her, but I would vote for any American liberal that is not Trump.
StoppableHulk on
I really wish that the past ten years have taught people that they don’t know fucking anything about what is or is not „electable“ and their wild, nonsensical guessing causes far more harm than good.
I understand that seeing the first two women Presidential candidates ever, lose to Donald Trump within 10 years of one another, while Biden won, predisposes people to believe that gender is the operating function of the loss.
But it isn’t. It is a coincidence, and people are getting superstitious because they don’t know how to properly evaluate all of the context in an election. They go to the most prominent and visible disparity and assume that’s the cause of the outcome.
Women on the ballot is not the problem.
Firstly, Donald Trump defies polling and has his entire political career. The elections he participates in rarely make any statistical sense. When he’s not in elections, such as in midterms, polling becomes much more accurate.
First, his victory against Clinton was *tiny*. It was 30,000 votes in an election *heavily* influenced by Russian propaganda and Clinton still cleaned his fucking clock by nearly 2 million votes. It was basically a statistical fluke. It could have gone either way, and gender likely had almost no meaningful impact.
2016 was a referrendum on establishment. Clinton was in politics for nearly 30 years. At nearly every level of politics. She *was* the establishment, whereas Trump was running *anti* establishment. That allowed him to eke out an electoral victory.
The media and the DNC labeled so-called „Bernie bros“ as misoginists for not supporting Clinton, but, while misogyny did of course exist, the significant portion of the left that supported Sanders was the equivalent left-wing anti-establishment reaction that we saw on the right. People were tired of the same people continually dominating a politics that many were dissatisfied with.
This was, and continues to be, a dominant factor in people’s votes.
Even AOC herself won against Pelosi’s successor, and for much the same reason: AOC was the anti-establishment candidate in a political environment that largely rejects anyone with a hint of establishment.
2020 was a referendum on COVID. People were fucking pissed. About everything. Trump was there, so he had to go. No one gave any particular shits about Biden. He was a generic, stable choice among voters who simply wanted to return to the world they remembered prior to COVID.
2024 was a referrendum on the Biden administration, which despite a herculean turnaround in economy, still had a lot of peope feeling the bad vibes. Harris lsot the popular vote, but people should remember **she only had 100 days to campaign**. She was at a severe disadvantage with name recognition, and the economy as well as the genocide in Gaza left her carrying the bag.
All of these elections had **extreme** contextual circumstances that impacted the vote far, far more than any topic of gender.
If you take nothing else away from this, understand that **voters are extremely malleable**.
Most voters do not pay attention most of the time.
x_________________- on
I remember a lot of folks in ’08 insisting America wasn’t ready for a black president, that Obama didn’t have enough experience. But in national politics, charisma trumps all.
Ocasio-Cortez has charisma in spades, and she has the kind of cultural penetration that other politicians can only dream of. She gets people fired up, and we should have learned over the past decade that we need to light a fire under American voters.
We’re still a long way from ’28. Things change, new contenders emerge, but we’d be fools to dismiss a political force like AOC just because she’s a woman of color.
Raspberries-Are-Evil on
Stop this nonsense. Have we learned nothing? This country is not ready for a woman. I hate it, but its where we are right now.
She is young. She should run against Schumer in the Senate primary– spend 12 years in the Senate working her way up and then, she will be ready.
AdmiralSaturyn on
Wait for her to kick Chuck Schumer out of the senate by 2028, then we can talk about her potential to become the president.
OptimusSublime on
Dude, she danced once… On video! Her goose is cooked.
throwitallaway69000 on
Please do it.
Flat-Emergency4891 on
She could do it
Orwells_Roses on
She has my vote.
Fuzzy_Logic_4_Life on
When she runs for president I will vote for her. But I’d rather she take a run at the senate. If she becomes president so young her political career will be over eight years later. We need her to keep fighting for at least an additional six years.
TwoWhiteCrocs on
the hate AOC would receive would dwarf Kamala or Hillary
snowbirdnerd on
At this point I’m just happy when we nominate someone who isn’t well past retirement.
connerhearmeroar on
America is a LOT less ideological than I once thought it was, so I could def see it happening.
Wooden-Independent47 on
Best thought of the day.
Free_Anxiety7370 on
No it is not.
Mugen4552 on
Democrats will fuck her over like they did Bernie.
Sanjuro7880 on
I know she is different than Kamala Harris in policy but I feel that America is still way too chauvinistic and racist to vote for her.
BareNakedSole on
It is absolutely way too early for her or anybody to consider her a presidential candidate. She needs one or two terms in the Senate to make her mark and expand her experience
SlinkyJoe on
The issue with AOC is that the right wing media machine has been priming their audience against her since she first started making headlines, because it was obvious that she had the charisma and popularity necessary to eventually make a run. They spent 30 years or so doing the same to Hilary Clinton, so as soon as she ran half the country was already groomed to despise her.
everything_is_bad on
She’d have to reach past an awful lot of cheating the Republicans are about to do
metalyger on
We’ve seen the stupidest man alive going directly from a reality TV competition show to being president. There is no bar. If you have a good platform and enough popularity, just do it. Don’t wait around until you’re 80, because that’s how the establishment likes to handle things.
BlurryRogue on
I’d vote for her in a heartbeat. Everyone that disapproves of Trump should.
mapoftasmania on
She is still young. She can only be President for eight years, but she can contribute in Congress and the Senate for much longer.
I don’t think she is in a rush to run.
pbmm1 on
That’s cool and all but if she does get in I’d hope there was also some form of majority alongside that to make things stick
jknielse on
I think we’re gonna need someone like her in the driver’s seat if AI starts eating human labour en masse. Assuming we make it to the end of this term without the country imploding, we’ll need someone who:
– Actually cares about the average person
– Has high fluid-intelligence to navigate the rapid and novel societal fallout
– Isn’t afraid to take bold actions (in good faith)
Those are good traits under *any* circumstances (IMO), but I think they’ll be absolutely crucial in the near term. She’d certainly be my top-pick — here’s hoping it happens 🤞
wha-haa on
There are many republicans who hope many believe that. Making the sex of a candidate their biggest strength is a great way to lose elections.
We have too many women elected to office across the country for that to be true.
gbinasia on
What’s odd in US politics is that while the election cycle is basically perpetual, the main parties don’t have a candidate/chief/head of party until the last year or so of it. In most countries and in normal circumstances, they are elected at least over a year before and will campaign for candidated and build their case. I feel like she could do that but it’s harder to break through when you don’t have a mandate to do so.
TheNotoriousSHAQ on
Sign me up
deathholdme on
Americans elected Trump twice and missed him twice. Don’t think they can get their shit together to do anything at this point.
ByTheHammerOfThor on
She’s not in the Epstein files so she gets my vote.
Some_Engineering_242 on
What! A forward thinking young person who would still be alive to suffer or enjoy the changes they enact? Unthinkable
TheLamentOfSquidward on
It’s actually more far-fetched than ever before, because there will be no transfer of power.
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I like AOC, but please, our nation has proven again and again that it’s incredibly sexist and would rather be lead by a rapist pedophile than a woman. I don’t like it, I would definitely vote for her, but I have zero faith that the electorate has evolved enough to make it happen.
The woman couldnt even get a committee seat, because Nancy Pelosi and other higher up members of the party fucked her out of it. Rallying to make sue some 75 year old man with cancer got the seat instead. And he fucking died 4 months later. Guess who is still not in the seat…
The corruption at the top of that party needs to die of extreme old age, or be finally pushed off into long overdue retirement.
I feel she should go for senate and kick Schumer out of the Senate. Prove to everyone she can win State wide election and not just some Strong Blue district. Also she’ll get more chance to showcase herself in the senate with Senate hearings etc
I would vote for her, but I would vote for any American liberal that is not Trump.
I really wish that the past ten years have taught people that they don’t know fucking anything about what is or is not „electable“ and their wild, nonsensical guessing causes far more harm than good.
I understand that seeing the first two women Presidential candidates ever, lose to Donald Trump within 10 years of one another, while Biden won, predisposes people to believe that gender is the operating function of the loss.
But it isn’t. It is a coincidence, and people are getting superstitious because they don’t know how to properly evaluate all of the context in an election. They go to the most prominent and visible disparity and assume that’s the cause of the outcome.
Women on the ballot is not the problem.
Firstly, Donald Trump defies polling and has his entire political career. The elections he participates in rarely make any statistical sense. When he’s not in elections, such as in midterms, polling becomes much more accurate.
First, his victory against Clinton was *tiny*. It was 30,000 votes in an election *heavily* influenced by Russian propaganda and Clinton still cleaned his fucking clock by nearly 2 million votes. It was basically a statistical fluke. It could have gone either way, and gender likely had almost no meaningful impact.
2016 was a referrendum on establishment. Clinton was in politics for nearly 30 years. At nearly every level of politics. She *was* the establishment, whereas Trump was running *anti* establishment. That allowed him to eke out an electoral victory.
The media and the DNC labeled so-called „Bernie bros“ as misoginists for not supporting Clinton, but, while misogyny did of course exist, the significant portion of the left that supported Sanders was the equivalent left-wing anti-establishment reaction that we saw on the right. People were tired of the same people continually dominating a politics that many were dissatisfied with.
This was, and continues to be, a dominant factor in people’s votes.
Even AOC herself won against Pelosi’s successor, and for much the same reason: AOC was the anti-establishment candidate in a political environment that largely rejects anyone with a hint of establishment.
2020 was a referendum on COVID. People were fucking pissed. About everything. Trump was there, so he had to go. No one gave any particular shits about Biden. He was a generic, stable choice among voters who simply wanted to return to the world they remembered prior to COVID.
2024 was a referrendum on the Biden administration, which despite a herculean turnaround in economy, still had a lot of peope feeling the bad vibes. Harris lsot the popular vote, but people should remember **she only had 100 days to campaign**. She was at a severe disadvantage with name recognition, and the economy as well as the genocide in Gaza left her carrying the bag.
All of these elections had **extreme** contextual circumstances that impacted the vote far, far more than any topic of gender.
If you take nothing else away from this, understand that **voters are extremely malleable**.
Most voters do not pay attention most of the time.
I remember a lot of folks in ’08 insisting America wasn’t ready for a black president, that Obama didn’t have enough experience. But in national politics, charisma trumps all.
Ocasio-Cortez has charisma in spades, and she has the kind of cultural penetration that other politicians can only dream of. She gets people fired up, and we should have learned over the past decade that we need to light a fire under American voters.
We’re still a long way from ’28. Things change, new contenders emerge, but we’d be fools to dismiss a political force like AOC just because she’s a woman of color.
Stop this nonsense. Have we learned nothing? This country is not ready for a woman. I hate it, but its where we are right now.
She is young. She should run against Schumer in the Senate primary– spend 12 years in the Senate working her way up and then, she will be ready.
Wait for her to kick Chuck Schumer out of the senate by 2028, then we can talk about her potential to become the president.
Dude, she danced once… On video! Her goose is cooked.
Please do it.
She could do it
She has my vote.
When she runs for president I will vote for her. But I’d rather she take a run at the senate. If she becomes president so young her political career will be over eight years later. We need her to keep fighting for at least an additional six years.
the hate AOC would receive would dwarf Kamala or Hillary
At this point I’m just happy when we nominate someone who isn’t well past retirement.
America is a LOT less ideological than I once thought it was, so I could def see it happening.
Best thought of the day.
No it is not.
Democrats will fuck her over like they did Bernie.
I know she is different than Kamala Harris in policy but I feel that America is still way too chauvinistic and racist to vote for her.
It is absolutely way too early for her or anybody to consider her a presidential candidate. She needs one or two terms in the Senate to make her mark and expand her experience
The issue with AOC is that the right wing media machine has been priming their audience against her since she first started making headlines, because it was obvious that she had the charisma and popularity necessary to eventually make a run. They spent 30 years or so doing the same to Hilary Clinton, so as soon as she ran half the country was already groomed to despise her.
She’d have to reach past an awful lot of cheating the Republicans are about to do
We’ve seen the stupidest man alive going directly from a reality TV competition show to being president. There is no bar. If you have a good platform and enough popularity, just do it. Don’t wait around until you’re 80, because that’s how the establishment likes to handle things.
I’d vote for her in a heartbeat. Everyone that disapproves of Trump should.
She is still young. She can only be President for eight years, but she can contribute in Congress and the Senate for much longer.
I don’t think she is in a rush to run.
That’s cool and all but if she does get in I’d hope there was also some form of majority alongside that to make things stick
I think we’re gonna need someone like her in the driver’s seat if AI starts eating human labour en masse. Assuming we make it to the end of this term without the country imploding, we’ll need someone who:
– Actually cares about the average person
– Has high fluid-intelligence to navigate the rapid and novel societal fallout
– Isn’t afraid to take bold actions (in good faith)
Those are good traits under *any* circumstances (IMO), but I think they’ll be absolutely crucial in the near term. She’d certainly be my top-pick — here’s hoping it happens 🤞
There are many republicans who hope many believe that. Making the sex of a candidate their biggest strength is a great way to lose elections.
We have too many women elected to office across the country for that to be true.
What’s odd in US politics is that while the election cycle is basically perpetual, the main parties don’t have a candidate/chief/head of party until the last year or so of it. In most countries and in normal circumstances, they are elected at least over a year before and will campaign for candidated and build their case. I feel like she could do that but it’s harder to break through when you don’t have a mandate to do so.
Sign me up
Americans elected Trump twice and missed him twice. Don’t think they can get their shit together to do anything at this point.
She’s not in the Epstein files so she gets my vote.
What! A forward thinking young person who would still be alive to suffer or enjoy the changes they enact? Unthinkable
It’s actually more far-fetched than ever before, because there will be no transfer of power.