Extradited for what, protesting against the loss of democracy in Hong Kong?
GiftedGeordie on
So, our government is just going to have Hong Kongers sent back to be murdered by the CCP, yeah? God, this government is just as scummy as the Tories!
AdHot6995 on
Labour are in bed with the CCP, this and the embassy likely going ahead.
Responsible-Kiwi870 on
To think I was relieved when this lot won the election.
Can we have a government that makes people’s lives better please; this one, like the one before it, is utter shite.
Putrid-Storage-9827 on
Absolutely disgusting. China never extradites their citizens to *any foreign country under any circumstances* btw, making this even more humiliating.
When Chinese commit even murder overseas and flee back to China, the other country has to basically plead with China to punish the perpetrator on their behalf.
limaconnect77 on
From the article posted by OP:-
In response to Kearns’ post on X, Jarvis said: “This is entirely incorrect. The treaty remains suspended. The new law completes the severing of extradition ties. We are resolute in our commitment to human rights, the rule of law, and safety of all in the UK. That goes for all Hong Kongers who have made our country their home.”
Pro1apsed on
Could the current government look any more ‚in the pocket‘ of China after the Chagos debacle?
Yes, it seems the answer is ‚yes‘ :/
Calm_seasons on
Probably wants tips from China on how to be more authoritarian.
Just a reminder tory starmer has banned you from looking at any NSFW pages on reddit (and no that isn’t just porn, but even ask reddit questions, quitting smoking etc), unless you upload pictures of yourself or your ids to questionable third parties.
warriorscot on
All people all the time should be in the absence of a treaty be able to be extradited on a case by case basis and subject to normal legal process that goes with that.
Its actually treaty arrangements that are the worst not this which is basically the non treaty default.
If you have an organised or violent criminal, that you know is in fact guilty or beyond the reasonable doubt so and lack jurisdiction or in fact already convicted them of it yourselves, you should not be barred from allowing extradition because of their original nationality.
And you can on a case by case basis assess that along with specific issues around deporting them.
DukePPUk on
So, as expected, this is Conservative MPs straddling the line between being misleading and downright lying – probably why we’re stuck quoting a random website about it. And this is the Conservatives‘ fault – they screwed up.
Extradition is both a legal and diplomatic process (due to the UK’s dualist approach to treaties and international law) – so it involves laws (the Extradition Act 2003), and treaties (with other countries, or via international groups like the EU or Council of Europe).
Under the Extradition Act there are four kinds of territory;
* Part 1; EU-related ones, where there is a „surrender“ process that is fairly simple, similar to as it would be if someone in England was wanted in Scotland, with a quick check by the courts that all the paperwork is in order,
* Part 2 Category A territories; mostly Council of Europe states, where it has to go through both the courts and the Government, but we trust the country’s own legal system enough not to check their working,
* Part 2 Category B territories; where it has to go through the courts and Government, and where we don’t trust the country’s legal system enough and so the courts *do* check their working,
* Other territories; which aren’t designated, but which can be extradited to as if they were Part 2 Category B territories if the Government has some specific treaty in place and confirms this.
At the moment Hong Kong is a Part 2 Category B territory *in law*; extradition is possible, and follows the standard process.
Except back in 2020 the UK Government suspended its extradition *treaty* with China, due to the changes going on out there. But the idiots in charge here never got around to removing its designation as a Part 2 Category B country.
So for the last 5 years the Chinese Government could have requested an extradition, and it would have had to go through the legal Extradition process… even though the UK Government didn’t have a working extradition treaty with China.
Labour are now fixing this by removing Hong Kong’s designation as a Part 2 Category B territory.
What the Conservatives are being dishonest about is that this moves Hong Kong to that fourth category of territory; whereby *if* the Government does sign up to an extradition treaty with Hong Kong, and *if* there is a request, that request could be processed under the Part 2 Category B system.
But that’s currently the same situation the UK has with mainland China.
Unlike the current situation where – thanks to the incompetence of the Conservatives – people could be extradited to Hong Kong *without* a treaty.
I suppose it saves the CCP of going to the effort of kidnapping people, that’s got to be bad on the back.
Intergalatic_Baker on
We’re deporting Hong Konger’s those who would have been born during British rule, so they can disappear into a Chinese prison… As far as I’m aware, they’re not causing the social unrest in this country, hell, reckon we’ve welcomed them because they’re all legally entering Migrants who don’t want to live under a dictatorship..
Boiling_warm on
Just make it clear it has to be for violent crimes, and not political shit. Problem solved
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Extradited for what, protesting against the loss of democracy in Hong Kong?
So, our government is just going to have Hong Kongers sent back to be murdered by the CCP, yeah? God, this government is just as scummy as the Tories!
Labour are in bed with the CCP, this and the embassy likely going ahead.
To think I was relieved when this lot won the election.
Can we have a government that makes people’s lives better please; this one, like the one before it, is utter shite.
Absolutely disgusting. China never extradites their citizens to *any foreign country under any circumstances* btw, making this even more humiliating.
When Chinese commit even murder overseas and flee back to China, the other country has to basically plead with China to punish the perpetrator on their behalf.
From the article posted by OP:-
In response to Kearns’ post on X, Jarvis said: “This is entirely incorrect. The treaty remains suspended. The new law completes the severing of extradition ties. We are resolute in our commitment to human rights, the rule of law, and safety of all in the UK. That goes for all Hong Kongers who have made our country their home.”
Could the current government look any more ‚in the pocket‘ of China after the Chagos debacle?
Yes, it seems the answer is ‚yes‘ :/
Probably wants tips from China on how to be more authoritarian.
Just a reminder tory starmer has banned you from looking at any NSFW pages on reddit (and no that isn’t just porn, but even ask reddit questions, quitting smoking etc), unless you upload pictures of yourself or your ids to questionable third parties.
All people all the time should be in the absence of a treaty be able to be extradited on a case by case basis and subject to normal legal process that goes with that.
Its actually treaty arrangements that are the worst not this which is basically the non treaty default.
If you have an organised or violent criminal, that you know is in fact guilty or beyond the reasonable doubt so and lack jurisdiction or in fact already convicted them of it yourselves, you should not be barred from allowing extradition because of their original nationality.
And you can on a case by case basis assess that along with specific issues around deporting them.
So, as expected, this is Conservative MPs straddling the line between being misleading and downright lying – probably why we’re stuck quoting a random website about it. And this is the Conservatives‘ fault – they screwed up.
Extradition is both a legal and diplomatic process (due to the UK’s dualist approach to treaties and international law) – so it involves laws (the Extradition Act 2003), and treaties (with other countries, or via international groups like the EU or Council of Europe).
Under the Extradition Act there are four kinds of territory;
* Part 1; EU-related ones, where there is a „surrender“ process that is fairly simple, similar to as it would be if someone in England was wanted in Scotland, with a quick check by the courts that all the paperwork is in order,
* Part 2 Category A territories; mostly Council of Europe states, where it has to go through both the courts and the Government, but we trust the country’s own legal system enough not to check their working,
* Part 2 Category B territories; where it has to go through the courts and Government, and where we don’t trust the country’s legal system enough and so the courts *do* check their working,
* Other territories; which aren’t designated, but which can be extradited to as if they were Part 2 Category B territories if the Government has some specific treaty in place and confirms this.
At the moment Hong Kong is a Part 2 Category B territory *in law*; extradition is possible, and follows the standard process.
Except back in 2020 the UK Government suspended its extradition *treaty* with China, due to the changes going on out there. But the idiots in charge here never got around to removing its designation as a Part 2 Category B country.
So for the last 5 years the Chinese Government could have requested an extradition, and it would have had to go through the legal Extradition process… even though the UK Government didn’t have a working extradition treaty with China.
Labour are now fixing this by removing Hong Kong’s designation as a Part 2 Category B territory.
What the Conservatives are being dishonest about is that this moves Hong Kong to that fourth category of territory; whereby *if* the Government does sign up to an extradition treaty with Hong Kong, and *if* there is a request, that request could be processed under the Part 2 Category B system.
But that’s currently the same situation the UK has with mainland China.
Unlike the current situation where – thanks to the incompetence of the Conservatives – people could be extradited to Hong Kong *without* a treaty.
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Sources:
* [Draft The Extradition Act 2003 (Amendment to Designations) Order 2025](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2025/9780348274196)
* [current version of The Extradition Act 2003 (Designation of Part 2 Territories) Order 2003](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/3334), including Hong Kong,
* [letter the Conservatives are whining about](https://x.com/aliciakearns/status/1948411680599199956), explaining that Hong Kong is being *removed* from the list.
I suppose it saves the CCP of going to the effort of kidnapping people, that’s got to be bad on the back.
We’re deporting Hong Konger’s those who would have been born during British rule, so they can disappear into a Chinese prison… As far as I’m aware, they’re not causing the social unrest in this country, hell, reckon we’ve welcomed them because they’re all legally entering Migrants who don’t want to live under a dictatorship..
Just make it clear it has to be for violent crimes, and not political shit. Problem solved