During a housing crisis, when people are living Paycheque to paycheque, they try to pull this shit.
go_cartmozart on
For most office jobs, there is really no good argument for making people be in the office 5 days a week
JONFER--- on
Many companies went on a hiring binge during covid and expanded too quick. Between all the laws and regulations redundancy can be extremely expensive, if an employee quits of their own accord because companies impose legally enforceable working conditions then they can avoid this potential expense.
And the world is going through an economic slowdown. It’s masked behind high inflation so the sales figures appear good for but in real terms production is down across many sectors.
Then there are productivity issues, some people were very productive and got the same if not more done in terms of their work. But others totally took the piss and what’s worse they publicised it and boasted about it in some cases making social media or whatever.
This opened the door for some companies to do what they are doing.
Ok_Magazine_3383 on
The telling thing is the complete inability of organisations like BOI & AIB to actually produce metrics demonstrating whatever lack of efficiency they claim their previous arrangements caused.
After all, these are organisations that through necessity produce batteries of MI across every business within the bank. If WFH was causing issues, it would be more measurable in these organisations than almost any other.
Future_Jackfruit5360 on
People need to just start saying no. Let the company so the hard work to sack them. I think most companies won’t go to the effort and will eventually move on.
justbecauseyoumademe on
I blame the irish goverment and its absolute toothless response to the WFH policy
AccordingBit7679 on
The next excuse will be data protection/GDPR, if there is any sensitive information on systems accessed from home companies will say employees must be in the office to access it.
FriendshipIll1681 on
I can understand why companies are doing it because I can see what people are doing, myself included. School run, childcare, head to the gym, get a haircut, do the shopping, visit friends, go for coffee, long breakfast/lunch, I do it all on a weekly basis. My work is being done but there is no way in hell I’m doing 8 hours a day, or 7.5, which I’m being paid to do, by going back into the office I’ll just have more distractions, be away from my desk talking to people than I would at home.
At the moment, I am a lot more flexible with my time though, I’ve a few 8am calls as well as 6pm that I’ll just duck into the office to take without a second thought, if they want me to commute into the office for a few days a week well I’ll be sticking to the core hours then.
I do feel sorry for people who live very far away from their work, they took a chance that they’d be able to work remotely forever, unfortunately that gravy train has come to an end.
thefatheadedone on
I quite like being in a couple days a week. But more then that and it’s a swift fuck you.
The-LongRoad on
I’ve said it before, if you suspect you may be autistic or ADHD go and get a formal diagnosis. Its a pain in the hole but with it you have the legal right to *demand* (not request) WFH as a disability accommodation, which your workplace is legally required to offer or open themselves up to a lawsuit.
bakchod007 on
How else do you expect boomers to cheat on their SOs?
TemporaryHall4993 on
I work full time at home and have done so, for the past 5 years. It would kill me to go back in, but I 100% do less work when I’m in the office than at home!
tallandconfusedbrah on
Brilliant article.
CitrusflavoredIndia on
The government need to step in and block companies from opening offices here
barker505 on
Lot of cope in the comments here. For any organisation interested in the training and retention of staff, especially junior staff, encouraging people to be in the office 3-4 days a week is important.
Most complex jobs require more than you to join a weekly team standup and push computer buttons on your own. It’s the conversations you overhear, the serendipitous connections you make, and the greater rapport you have with team members who you meet regularly.
tallandconfusedbrah on
I was working full time remote and then out of nowhere we were asked back in 5 days a week even though we were promised, after the initial training period, it would be fully remote. I know people who moved to Meath and further upon begging given this guarantee.
I don’t live far so the commute for me isn’t too bad but many had moved out of Dublin and would have to commute 2-3 hours each way.
What do you think happened? Exactly what the company wanted. Many quit.
This all happened about 20 months into our contracts, only 8 or so weeks before statutory redundancy pay would have to be paid out by the company, how convenient for them.
Back in the office now, paying for fuel up and back each day.
Upon arriving at the office it became clear there were barely enough seats for my team to sit together, so I’m on a different floor. This makes little difference though as almost all the meetings I’ve had since coming back have been on zoom.
The only culture they are developing is one of bitterness and anger, we don’t drive for more efficiencies, we sit around at lunchtime to commiserate and moan about the situation.
Before anyone asks, we were given a verbal guarantee of fully remote but buried in the contract they reserved the right to call us back in. I have colleagues who are furious about this and are joining a union as a result.
The company is using the pretext of driving efficiencies and culture to sack people cost effectively, it’s an absolute disgrace. Won’t hear a peep from beanpole Harris or anyone in gov. about it, I guarantee.
MouseJiggler on
>This isn’t just about friction. It’s about legacy leadership colliding with a workforce raised on outcomes, not optics.
This is precisely correct.
Amberleaf30 on
Why don’t we let the office workers keep working from home, put the immigrants into these empty buildings, let the boys up in the IFSC and the like deal with them for a while.
Drengi36 on
Its a tactic to make some quit. Dont have to pay redunacy if they leave themselves.
For example – count the amount of „it’s not about X. It’s about Y“ or similar sentences.
* They’re not about team culture or innovation. They’re about control.
* What we’re witnessing isn’t a strategy, it’s a cultural counterattack from a generation that feels left behind.
* It’s not about performance. It’s about presence and who gets to enforce it.
* That’s not strategy. That’s displacement policy in corporate packaging.
* This isn’t just about friction. It’s about legacy leadership colliding with a workforce raised on outcomes, not optics.
* That’s not a policy gap, it’s a values gap.
* People aren’t quitting because they’re disengaged. They’re leaving because they’ve been gaslit into believing their best work only counts if it’s performed under fluorescent lighting.
* This isn’t culture. It’s regression.
chimpdoctor on
That photo was a great choice. Thats me on a day Im asked by management to go into the office and the rest of the crew fucking joined the meeting on teams. load of shite.
Rennie_Burn on
„Open-Plan Sikence“ Nothing silent about a busy open plan office, its just constant noise.
SilentCup8901 on
The arguments for full-time in office working are desperate at this stage. I started working remotely during COVID, as most people did, and it immediately worked for me.
I feel more productive in surroundings of my own choosing, it’s less pressure and the feeling having genuine work-life balance really helped me feel more purposeful about my job. I could get up, go to the gym, get a coffee, then start working at my own pace. I became a better worker when I started working remotely, and a more committed worker.
I now work hybrid, one to two days from home a week. It’s better than nothing, but the requirement of being in the office at all feels restrictive and like a lack of trust from my employer quite honestly. I like my job, love the people I work with, and luckily live within walking distance so it’s not a dealbreaker for me currently but long-term if things don’t change I will be looking at more flexible options.
Tbh, when the general climate went from mostly-remote to hybrid, I felt like I lost a lot. The loss of work-life balance is depressing, and the fact it’s absolutely unnecessary is disheartening. Wouldn’t be surprised if employers who require office working see a dip in productivity and results. And they’ll deserve it.
Also, I think of all the disabled people who would be fantastic assets as remote workers, really contribute a lot for some employers, but their requirements mean they wouldn’t even be given a chance. It’s gross.
INXS2021 on
It all depends on what contract you signed.
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During a housing crisis, when people are living Paycheque to paycheque, they try to pull this shit.
For most office jobs, there is really no good argument for making people be in the office 5 days a week
Many companies went on a hiring binge during covid and expanded too quick. Between all the laws and regulations redundancy can be extremely expensive, if an employee quits of their own accord because companies impose legally enforceable working conditions then they can avoid this potential expense.
And the world is going through an economic slowdown. It’s masked behind high inflation so the sales figures appear good for but in real terms production is down across many sectors.
Then there are productivity issues, some people were very productive and got the same if not more done in terms of their work. But others totally took the piss and what’s worse they publicised it and boasted about it in some cases making social media or whatever.
This opened the door for some companies to do what they are doing.
The telling thing is the complete inability of organisations like BOI & AIB to actually produce metrics demonstrating whatever lack of efficiency they claim their previous arrangements caused.
After all, these are organisations that through necessity produce batteries of MI across every business within the bank. If WFH was causing issues, it would be more measurable in these organisations than almost any other.
People need to just start saying no. Let the company so the hard work to sack them. I think most companies won’t go to the effort and will eventually move on.
I blame the irish goverment and its absolute toothless response to the WFH policy
The next excuse will be data protection/GDPR, if there is any sensitive information on systems accessed from home companies will say employees must be in the office to access it.
I can understand why companies are doing it because I can see what people are doing, myself included. School run, childcare, head to the gym, get a haircut, do the shopping, visit friends, go for coffee, long breakfast/lunch, I do it all on a weekly basis. My work is being done but there is no way in hell I’m doing 8 hours a day, or 7.5, which I’m being paid to do, by going back into the office I’ll just have more distractions, be away from my desk talking to people than I would at home.
At the moment, I am a lot more flexible with my time though, I’ve a few 8am calls as well as 6pm that I’ll just duck into the office to take without a second thought, if they want me to commute into the office for a few days a week well I’ll be sticking to the core hours then.
I do feel sorry for people who live very far away from their work, they took a chance that they’d be able to work remotely forever, unfortunately that gravy train has come to an end.
I quite like being in a couple days a week. But more then that and it’s a swift fuck you.
I’ve said it before, if you suspect you may be autistic or ADHD go and get a formal diagnosis. Its a pain in the hole but with it you have the legal right to *demand* (not request) WFH as a disability accommodation, which your workplace is legally required to offer or open themselves up to a lawsuit.
How else do you expect boomers to cheat on their SOs?
I work full time at home and have done so, for the past 5 years. It would kill me to go back in, but I 100% do less work when I’m in the office than at home!
Brilliant article.
The government need to step in and block companies from opening offices here
Lot of cope in the comments here. For any organisation interested in the training and retention of staff, especially junior staff, encouraging people to be in the office 3-4 days a week is important.
Most complex jobs require more than you to join a weekly team standup and push computer buttons on your own. It’s the conversations you overhear, the serendipitous connections you make, and the greater rapport you have with team members who you meet regularly.
I was working full time remote and then out of nowhere we were asked back in 5 days a week even though we were promised, after the initial training period, it would be fully remote. I know people who moved to Meath and further upon begging given this guarantee.
I don’t live far so the commute for me isn’t too bad but many had moved out of Dublin and would have to commute 2-3 hours each way.
What do you think happened? Exactly what the company wanted. Many quit.
This all happened about 20 months into our contracts, only 8 or so weeks before statutory redundancy pay would have to be paid out by the company, how convenient for them.
Back in the office now, paying for fuel up and back each day.
Upon arriving at the office it became clear there were barely enough seats for my team to sit together, so I’m on a different floor. This makes little difference though as almost all the meetings I’ve had since coming back have been on zoom.
The only culture they are developing is one of bitterness and anger, we don’t drive for more efficiencies, we sit around at lunchtime to commiserate and moan about the situation.
Before anyone asks, we were given a verbal guarantee of fully remote but buried in the contract they reserved the right to call us back in. I have colleagues who are furious about this and are joining a union as a result.
The company is using the pretext of driving efficiencies and culture to sack people cost effectively, it’s an absolute disgrace. Won’t hear a peep from beanpole Harris or anyone in gov. about it, I guarantee.
>This isn’t just about friction. It’s about legacy leadership colliding with a workforce raised on outcomes, not optics.
This is precisely correct.
Why don’t we let the office workers keep working from home, put the immigrants into these empty buildings, let the boys up in the IFSC and the like deal with them for a while.
Its a tactic to make some quit. Dont have to pay redunacy if they leave themselves.
As much as I agree with the article – it’s depressing to see AI-generated content like this. Once you’ve worked with it enough, [you can see all the tells](https://www.blakestockton.com/dont-write-like-ai-1-101-negation/) 🙁
For example – count the amount of „it’s not about X. It’s about Y“ or similar sentences.
* They’re not about team culture or innovation. They’re about control.
* What we’re witnessing isn’t a strategy, it’s a cultural counterattack from a generation that feels left behind.
* It’s not about performance. It’s about presence and who gets to enforce it.
* That’s not strategy. That’s displacement policy in corporate packaging.
* This isn’t just about friction. It’s about legacy leadership colliding with a workforce raised on outcomes, not optics.
* That’s not a policy gap, it’s a values gap.
* People aren’t quitting because they’re disengaged. They’re leaving because they’ve been gaslit into believing their best work only counts if it’s performed under fluorescent lighting.
* This isn’t culture. It’s regression.
That photo was a great choice. Thats me on a day Im asked by management to go into the office and the rest of the crew fucking joined the meeting on teams. load of shite.
„Open-Plan Sikence“ Nothing silent about a busy open plan office, its just constant noise.
The arguments for full-time in office working are desperate at this stage. I started working remotely during COVID, as most people did, and it immediately worked for me.
I feel more productive in surroundings of my own choosing, it’s less pressure and the feeling having genuine work-life balance really helped me feel more purposeful about my job. I could get up, go to the gym, get a coffee, then start working at my own pace. I became a better worker when I started working remotely, and a more committed worker.
I now work hybrid, one to two days from home a week. It’s better than nothing, but the requirement of being in the office at all feels restrictive and like a lack of trust from my employer quite honestly. I like my job, love the people I work with, and luckily live within walking distance so it’s not a dealbreaker for me currently but long-term if things don’t change I will be looking at more flexible options.
Tbh, when the general climate went from mostly-remote to hybrid, I felt like I lost a lot. The loss of work-life balance is depressing, and the fact it’s absolutely unnecessary is disheartening. Wouldn’t be surprised if employers who require office working see a dip in productivity and results. And they’ll deserve it.
Also, I think of all the disabled people who would be fantastic assets as remote workers, really contribute a lot for some employers, but their requirements mean they wouldn’t even be given a chance. It’s gross.
It all depends on what contract you signed.