Steve Coogan beschuldigt die Arbeit der Pflasterungswege für Reform UK

I believe all roads lead to david cameron and goerge osbourne. Osbourne with austerity and cameron with brexit

>“The success of Reform, I lay squarely at the feet of the neoliberal consensus, which has let down working people for the last 40 years and they’re fed up,” he said. “It doesn’t matter who they vote for, nothing changes for them.

>“Keir Starmer and the Labour government have leant into supporting a broken system. Their modus operandi is to mitigate the worst excesses of a broken system and all that is is managed decline. What they’re doing is putting Band-Aids on the gash in the side of the Titanic.”

He’s sort of nailed it there for me. Our current model is terminally broken and it doesn’t matter who is in charge the result will be the same. At least Labour don’t seem to be actively working against the country and are making some worthwhile improvements. But whilst the same credit card style economics, lack of investment and an aging, sicker population we’re just going to go backwards regardless of what you do.

The last 15 years of decline and decay have backed us into a corner. Everything is run down a broken; as a population we are sicker than we’ve ever been and our public infrastructure is failing. We need radical solutions to have a hope of getting out of this hole.

[Steve Coogan has now been  charged with terrorism.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lEjEGbAFzJU&pp=ygUQU3RldmUgY29vZ2FuIEJCQw%3D%3D)

He’s not wrong. Focusing energy in blaming the Tories for everything, whilst having no ideas to actually deal with the problem,( aside from his immoral and useless PIP reforms), are as much to blame. Liberals have spent so long looking down on working class people, what did they expect? I say that as a socialist myself.

Why does anybody listen to these types of people, they are just spouting whatever populist shite comes to mind. They use Buzzwords like Neoliberalism makes me laugh. The UK still spends a huge amount on public services, Neoliberal policies are probably the only thing that has kept the country afloat these past decades. Reform is probably more Neoliberal than any other party right now, so people flocking to them completely disproves his idea. It’s clear why reform are growing, failure to lower immigration (this is the main reason), the feeling that British citizens are not prioritised, a stagnant economy, and unfair distribution of capital spending (something he mentions). 

It was a political choice to use austerity during that time

Let’s be honest, Starmer would prefer Reform to get in than a centre left or left wing Labour. He doesn’t care.

Your argument makes no sense. If you’re using the Iraq war (which they started) as a defence for not being ready for a bust, it still doesn’t explain why during those years they were proclaiming they eradicated boom & bust.

Nah, I usually have time for Partridge but this is a bit of a reach. The uncomfortable truth is there is a fairly sizeable chunk of the British population who are staunchly right wing and unappeasable by any reasonable political party. You can give them as much support, concessions, winter fuel payments, triple locks etc as you want, they will still do what they do.

They will soak up concessions from other parties and continue to vote for ukip/reform/bnp etc. Currently we are facing the reality that right wing organisations have adapted to the social media disinformation age in a more aggressive way and using mass dementia as an electoral strategy. It’s not just a UK thing, it’s happening the world over.

It’s not as if all reform voters are broke and disenfranchised, desperate for a party to represent them. A lot of them are wealthy.

The ones who are disenfranchised, destitute, more often than not simply don’t vote.

He’s summed it up for me exactly.

I made the below post on the day of the election last year, and Starmer has lived up to my worst fears.

„I’ll be back to voting Green, they won’t win but what’s the point in voting for someone you don’t believe in? If you vote for the „least bad realistic option“ then even if they win, you’ve still got someone you didn’t want. Screw tactical voting.

This election is the first one where I’ve gone in not giving a shit who will win. Labour will win but it won’t win because many believe in them but because people want to „get the Tories out“.
„Get the Tories out“ isn’t a sustainable reason for Labour’s popularity if it doesn’t make meaningful changes in their reign but they won’t, Starmer has been very clear they won’t and will largely follow the Tories discredited austerity style fiscal rules. When Labour are in power, they’re going to lose the „we’re not the other guys!“ reason for people to vote for them and what else will they have to ask people to vote for them at the next election? „Get the Tories out“ isn’t an exciting goal if we’ve nothing much better to replace it.

I never thought I’d be so disinterested by the Tories being flattened but I genuinely don’t understand how people are excited by the Tories being replaced by a slightly better version of them.

My worst fear prediction is they’ll mess about with centre-right, pro-business bollocks, people will become disillusioned and apathetic. This will create a very fertile breeding ground for the far right to exploit that disillusionment for the next election. It’s happening now in France after Macron’s dire leadership, it’s happened elsewhere in Europe and throughout history.

This isn’t an original prediction, Tony Benn predicted as much and unfortunately his conditions for this nightmare scenario are all going as he said they would.
„If the Labour Party could be bullied or persuaded to denounce its Marxists, the media – having tasted blood – would demand next that it expelled all its Socialist and reunited the remaining Labour Party with the SDP to form a harmless alternative to the Conservatives, which could then be allowed to take office now and then when the Conservatives fell out of favour with the public. Thus British Capitalism, it is argued, will be made safe forever, and socialism would be squeezed of the National agenda. But if such a strategy were to succeed… it would in fact profoundly endanger British society. For it would open up the danger of a swing to the far-right, as we have seen in Europe over the last 50 years.““

I genuinely dont know what Labour stand for at the moment other than to religiously apply the previous Conservative government’s economic policy. I see very little if any policy initiatives that help out workers and the less fortunate. They seem to be counting on the public finding Nigel Farage and Kemi Badenoch to be a worse option. People want change and will vote for whoever says they’ll deliver it – whether that change is good or bad. Labour are treading water.