It’s a bit over-simplifying things, but essentially not wrong.
snow-eats-your-gf on
Schools are the same in Finland.
Non-EU students pay for higher education.
The tone of this picture is strange.
punppis on
Rich pay more taxes. Thats it. Never heard that anyone invested in a school. Thats probably illegal lol.
Not true.
Acceptable-Yogurt949 on
First part is somewhat right, the rest is bullshit.
Salmivalli on
We have private schools that have tuition. Public system is so good though that rich wouldn’t get more by putting their kids in private school.
Glittering-Bat-1128 on
Not entirely true anymore. Rich people are moving out of certain areas to get their children into better schools.
orbitti on
Yes, and no. We have virtually(* only public schools with equal syllabus and funding. However it varies a bit from community to community and some schools get additional funding to combat social problems in the area..
It also means that those with means shop school districts. It is not really the schools, but the other students and their parents that are avoided. Typically areas with high low income population and/or 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are being avoided. Also, often referred as S2 (Finnish as second language) students.
(*
There are a few international schools or ones that follow different pedagogic philophy, but they are in really small minority.
Total_disregard_for on
Rich people still attempt to get their kids to segregated schools. Sure, it’s much more difficult here than in the GB for example, but they still have various means for doing so (moving to a rich neighbourhood, paying for tutorship to get kids into schools with heavy emphasis in the arts etc).
I don’t blame them. Sometimes the option is a classroom full of bullies where half of them don’t speak fluent finnish, and refuse to consider female teachers as legit authorities.
So while that isn’t technically false – or a lie – the truth is much more nuanced and cynical.
Tracerneo on
Schools are tax funded, public or private, they have same oversight and same curriculum.
There is no „rich investing in public school“, they pay taxes, and the taxes are used to fund all schools equally.
Kids of parents from rich areas are not forced to study and socialize with children from rural areas. There is still this kind of segregation. If you can’t afford to live in an expensive area, your children are unlikely to go to schools in these areas.
If you are rich, you can still afford more private and extracurricular education. Or send your children to study at a foreign institution.
Wrong. Rich parents school shop meanwhile the poor kids/kids with neglectful parents are gonna be with the ghetto/S2 kids.
Head-Alternative-984 on
And not a single period in that sentence
Tracerneo on
Foreign kids that don’t speak Finnish are segregated into [S2 curriculum (Finnish as a Second Language)](https://yle.fi/a/74-20121477).
>A study sparked much discussion when it observed that some [students in S2 classes have a very low level of Finnish skills](https://yle.fi/a/74-20016059) even after years of learning the language.
sisuaibot on
Whatever you do, don’t ever google „Did communist Russia have private schools?“
Salmonman4 on
Also rich kids get to know poor kids and don’t become assholes who don’t care about those less fortunate. I have school-friends going from line-cooks and dock-workers to architects and middle-bosses at Ericsson
Comfortable_You5098 on
School is not free, you just pay it over your whole life through taxes, and the more productive you are the more you ended up paying for the education.
TheoryOfRelativity12 on
And sometimes rich kids get selected to esteemed internship positions just because of the family they were born into regardless of work experience and other qualifications… *cough* stubb *cough*
Lihisss on
Huge difference between a school in small town with classes of 1-6 in same classroom and school in very rich neighborhood in a major city.
Sea_Living747 on
Since when did random pictures on the internet become a source of information ?
Professional-Key5552 on
Charging fees for tuition is legal and happens. I know a few Finns who are in debt because school cost money, especially if you want to learn something like graphic design or go to a programming school.
RedOctober20 on
While education is paid by taxpayer money and in theory this makes all schools equal, in reality this is not entirely the case. We also have a principle that kids go to the closest school to where they live. Usually rich people live in the same areas and by some god damn miracle those schools get the renovations and investments for educational tech.
Then there’s school shopping. Usually this is done by applying to a special program that happens to be in a nice district. How do you apply to such special program one might ask? Well a Finnish language test. Which kinda makes sure that if you are an immigrant or child of an immigrant, you probably won’t get selected. Same goes with if parents read books to kids and reading books kinda correlates with higher education and such. Of course there’s lot of exceptions, but those programs are kinda elitist… on Finnish standards, which is far cry from many countries private schools, such as UK or USA.
Overall the Finnish education system is really equal, but it’s by no means a perfect one and there’s always people who are well of who try to steer clear from people who are not. I really do appreciate the educational system we have, I just won’t go around praising it to the heavens and ignore it’s flaws.
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It’s a bit over-simplifying things, but essentially not wrong.
Schools are the same in Finland.
Non-EU students pay for higher education.
The tone of this picture is strange.
Rich pay more taxes. Thats it. Never heard that anyone invested in a school. Thats probably illegal lol.
Not true.
First part is somewhat right, the rest is bullshit.
We have private schools that have tuition. Public system is so good though that rich wouldn’t get more by putting their kids in private school.
Not entirely true anymore. Rich people are moving out of certain areas to get their children into better schools.
Yes, and no. We have virtually(* only public schools with equal syllabus and funding. However it varies a bit from community to community and some schools get additional funding to combat social problems in the area..
It also means that those with means shop school districts. It is not really the schools, but the other students and their parents that are avoided. Typically areas with high low income population and/or 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are being avoided. Also, often referred as S2 (Finnish as second language) students.
(*
There are a few international schools or ones that follow different pedagogic philophy, but they are in really small minority.
Rich people still attempt to get their kids to segregated schools. Sure, it’s much more difficult here than in the GB for example, but they still have various means for doing so (moving to a rich neighbourhood, paying for tutorship to get kids into schools with heavy emphasis in the arts etc).
I don’t blame them. Sometimes the option is a classroom full of bullies where half of them don’t speak fluent finnish, and refuse to consider female teachers as legit authorities.
So while that isn’t technically false – or a lie – the truth is much more nuanced and cynical.
Schools are tax funded, public or private, they have same oversight and same curriculum.
There is no „rich investing in public school“, they pay taxes, and the taxes are used to fund all schools equally.
Kids of parents from rich areas are not forced to study and socialize with children from rural areas. There is still this kind of segregation. If you can’t afford to live in an expensive area, your children are unlikely to go to schools in these areas.
If you are rich, you can still afford more private and extracurricular education. Or send your children to study at a foreign institution.
[https://eurydice.eacea.ec.europa.eu/eurypedia/finland/organisation-private-education](https://eurydice.eacea.ec.europa.eu/eurypedia/finland/organisation-private-education)
Wrong. Rich parents school shop meanwhile the poor kids/kids with neglectful parents are gonna be with the ghetto/S2 kids.
And not a single period in that sentence
Foreign kids that don’t speak Finnish are segregated into [S2 curriculum (Finnish as a Second Language)](https://yle.fi/a/74-20121477).
>A study sparked much discussion when it observed that some [students in S2 classes have a very low level of Finnish skills](https://yle.fi/a/74-20016059) even after years of learning the language.
Whatever you do, don’t ever google „Did communist Russia have private schools?“
Also rich kids get to know poor kids and don’t become assholes who don’t care about those less fortunate. I have school-friends going from line-cooks and dock-workers to architects and middle-bosses at Ericsson
School is not free, you just pay it over your whole life through taxes, and the more productive you are the more you ended up paying for the education.
And sometimes rich kids get selected to esteemed internship positions just because of the family they were born into regardless of work experience and other qualifications… *cough* stubb *cough*
Huge difference between a school in small town with classes of 1-6 in same classroom and school in very rich neighborhood in a major city.
Since when did random pictures on the internet become a source of information ?
Charging fees for tuition is legal and happens. I know a few Finns who are in debt because school cost money, especially if you want to learn something like graphic design or go to a programming school.
While education is paid by taxpayer money and in theory this makes all schools equal, in reality this is not entirely the case. We also have a principle that kids go to the closest school to where they live. Usually rich people live in the same areas and by some god damn miracle those schools get the renovations and investments for educational tech.
Then there’s school shopping. Usually this is done by applying to a special program that happens to be in a nice district. How do you apply to such special program one might ask? Well a Finnish language test. Which kinda makes sure that if you are an immigrant or child of an immigrant, you probably won’t get selected. Same goes with if parents read books to kids and reading books kinda correlates with higher education and such. Of course there’s lot of exceptions, but those programs are kinda elitist… on Finnish standards, which is far cry from many countries private schools, such as UK or USA.
Overall the Finnish education system is really equal, but it’s by no means a perfect one and there’s always people who are well of who try to steer clear from people who are not. I really do appreciate the educational system we have, I just won’t go around praising it to the heavens and ignore it’s flaws.