Skills shortage? Maybe force companies to actually train people then? My son has just finished three years at college completing level 1 & 2 carpentry, then also a level 1 multi skills (plastering, brick laying & carpentry) while trying to find an apprenticeship.
There are over 50 listings for carpenters within a reasonable traveling distance from home. They all want full qualifications, 5 years experience and CSCS. My son even wrote a fantastic covering letter and along with a copy of his CV and portfolio, sent it out via email, post and even in person to every single carpentry company in the area. Nothing heard back at all, nothing.
During discussions with the college, there are simply not the placements available in order for progression onto a level 3 which needs to be an apprenticeship. He’s doing the next 12 months carpentry unpaid on a council internship just to try and get some experience behind him in order to get his foot in the door with an apprenticeship the following year.
He may have spent three years of his life qualifying for a job which may be totally out of reach, ending up as a site labourer is increasingly looking like his job. A career path he has been set on since he was 15 after being told about a local shortage of carpenters. We are failing our young.
BlacksmithLegal3695 on
I imagine there is a huge shortage of Millenial Tradesmen because building companies just used cheap Eastern European labour during the mid to late 2000’s, plus schools just pushed everyone to go to university instead of learning a trade.
jungleboy1234 on
skills shortage or vacancy shortage? or Both? Be reasonable here.
I guarantee given the current jobs market there is a queue to get on and involved in this. Remind yourself how many people of working age are not in education or training (not excluding the ones currently studying or where its been excluded by the ONS for whatever the reason)? I understand not everyone can do the phsyical labour but there are other parts of building a home that dont involve this and can be done by others with the right skillset.
Tradespeople earn more than our elected officials. How are you going to get people to apply and involved in the training if no opportunities exist??
This once again proves to me that the housing market is rigged. They (you know who) want a treacle of homes built not a flood as it would lead to collapse of the housing market that is so far propping up our failed economy.
JayR_97 on
It’s not a skill shortage it’s a wage shortage. If you’re struggling to hire people it’s because you’re not offering enough money
UuusernameWith4Us on
The UK establishment is like a drug addict in denial when it comes to immigration, it’s always „I only need one more hit“.
Objective_Mousse7216 on
What if we let ANOTHER 1.5 million people in to build the homes, sorted! /s
mbev25 on
I heard in a recent video that developers have planning permission for 4million homes but they won’t build them to keep pricings inflating.
ParkingMachine3534 on
Went to an open day at the trade bit at Rotherham College.
They said that there are over 100 applicants for every apprenticeship.
parkway_parkway on
I dislike the whole tone of the debate around this, which seems to be „if we have a shortage of tradespeople then we should just slump down and do nothing“.
First do a massive planning reform so it’s really easy to build and the private sector spikes.
Second do a big public house building program (and end the ludicrous right to buy).
Third if you don’t have enough people then start proper training programs for them to learn and upskill now that there is plenty of sustained work for them.
Fourth invest in technology, flatpack housing components which are factory made and only assembled onsite which need less skill to build. 3D printing houses, concrete poured houses etc.
Fifth if there’s not enough infrastructure like roads, rail, power lines etc then get on and build that too.
This country has become so defeatist and helpless. We just need to do things and try again.
The Victorians would literally be hanging their heads in shame at what we have become.
Worldly_Table_5092 on
They should let people live in sheds. Then I could be a home owner.
Glittering_Ad_134 on
I must admit I didn’t had that one on my Bingo „Gov Excuse“ Card … damn they are creative..
Sam_and_Linny on
If only there was a huge pool of skilled workers living in a continent close to us. Oh wait no i remember, we fucked ourselves with Brexit.
sillysimon92 on
We need to not solely rely on the apprenticeship route. Set up a national building/ engineering company that has training at its heart, lean into training for all ages, with a route for self employed to have an easy well paid time training in the autumn of their careers.
And the option to keep training and to specialize so we have a bank of knowledge and skill for large scale projects like tunnels and bridges etc.
I work in trade and the obsession that those who have no clue have with apprenticeships is weird.
Right-Comedian-7164 on
What skills?
New build houses are built by non skilled workers
Deadliftdeadlife on
Great news for me. Starting a new contract soon and they’re desperate for labour they can’t find. As a result I’m estimating 400-500 a day.
gluxton on
Skills shortages are massive in the construction industry, and it isn’t going to get better any time soon I don’t think.
NoRecipe3350 on
There was a skills shortage because training up young people was discouraged when we had so much immigration. Todays mid 30 year olds are those who couldn’t get a start on a building site 15-20 years ago because they were using cheap EU labour. I am one of these people, that’s my lived experience, being young and eager and every job/training opportunity slammed shut in my face.
stbens on
Stop encouraging so many young people to University, getting degrees that many will never use.
cdh79 on
Bullshit. There’s no skills shortage, there’s a surplus of unskilled tradesmen though, if my new build is anything to go by.
The best tradies will be self employed contractors, who fetch a premium and thus will be employed by the top tier private building firms or individuals. Which leaves the rest. The government whilst trying to achieve value for the tax payer would end up with the problem ones. You know the type, the ones the public has been begging government to take seriously for decades.
Well designed prefabs with actual quality control checks during installation would be the way forward.
Spamgrenade on
There’s been a skills shortage in the building industry for decades. A physically demanding job in all weathers isn’t as attractive as it used to be. Its not just a skills shortage its also a lack of people willing to learn the skills. I’m sure people have plenty of anecdotes about how hard it is to find a suitable training course, the reason for that is lack of demand for those training courses.
Olimellors1964 on
I’ve a friend who was a regional exec of David Wilson homes who said a good few years ago, there was a limit of around 300k houses that could be built in the UK due to supply constraints as building materials, bricks, timber frames were working at capacity along with the manpower to do the work
peakedtooearly on
Entirely predictable and exacerbated by Brexit.
To look even vaguely credible the UK governments from 2016 on should have been investing in and incentitivising construction training.
Delahorney on
Serious question: I’m in my early 30s and work in IT. I’d much prefer to retrain and help build houses for future generations, but how do I retrain without also going bankrupt in the process?
pajamakitten on
It would help if there were schemes to hep adults retrain into trades. There are probably a lot of jaded office workers who would love a chance to leave that behind.
Turioturen on
The solution is simple.
Offer better salaries and more people will be willing to learn.
And to make sure that the prices do not go up and things actually get built.
Have the government create several construction companies.
Each company is to operate on market principles.
Have them build what ever gives the highest profit, and sell and rent out and the highest possible price they can get.
Have all the profits go to a fund and the fund can only be used to build more and for maintenance, and nothing else.
Keep on building until profits hit +-0.
Multiple companies are needed so that the government can see which board of directors is doing poorly and remove all of them, because the companies will be building similar things and if one company is doing much worse than another, then it is the boards fault.
This program is not to be used for any type of dumping ground for people who are not good enough for any type of job. It is a job like any other and if they do not perform well, then they are to be fired just like any other job.
Start small scale and gradually expand as money and experience is gained.
pizzainmyshoe on
So start training people. Make it easy to try some new stuff out.
SnooTomatoes2939 on
The picture also highlights the problem: an outdated and slow construction process for a 100-year-old style property. Almost no one builds like this in Europe anymore.
InformationNew66 on
Eastern EU (Poland, Romania, etc) has a lot of builders, but they cannot come to work in the UK anymore.
xParesh on
This pledge from Labour was always loopy but it did its job and got people to vote for them.
Why set the bar at 1.5m and not 15 or 100m? We have a massive skills shortage especially after Brexit when people left the UK.
To make impossible to realise pledges either means Labour take us for fools or they themselves are fools for not validating how deliverable their pledges were before they made them.
Aggravating-Day-2864 on
State of new houses these days, thought there had been a skill shortage for years….
Interesting_Air_8835 on
This is a shit hole of a country, where nothing really works. Everyone is in it for themselves, so there is always going to be a short term thinking.
Simple solution to the housing crisis: confiscate all BTL / empty properties and redistribute them to those in indeed. Shoot any BTL landlord who gets in the way.
AnonymousTimewaster on
Where is this planning reform that was promised? There’s literally no messaging around this. Starmer needs to be grabbing headlines every single day Trump style.
Dull_Ratio_5383 on
There a massive class issue in this country where those who do jobs that get stuff done are perceived as „less“ than even those with the „bullshit jobs“
And then people get surprised that we live in a country comprised of managers with no labourers to be managed.
It’s not due to magic on or genetics that many other countries manage to produce a lot of skilled, proud craftsmen. It’s a society that values them vs one that doesn’t.
gouldybobs on
Yet all bursaries have been removed for vocational subjects. Who’s going to teach all the little fuckers?
Next_Replacement_566 on
Skills shortage, cos Tories cut jobs in those industries. People having less kids cos of cost of having them. Add cost of living into the mix. People aren’t getting homes cos rich making huge gains from Tory cuts.
CartoonistConsistent on
Any government pledge on housing you instantly knock it down to 25% of the original lie, I mean promise, knock 100k extra off and at that point you’re probably still being too generous.
BroodLord1962 on
Tell us something we didn’t already know. Not to mention all the areas where the water infrastructure cannot cope with anymore new homes.
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Skills shortage? Maybe force companies to actually train people then? My son has just finished three years at college completing level 1 & 2 carpentry, then also a level 1 multi skills (plastering, brick laying & carpentry) while trying to find an apprenticeship.
There are over 50 listings for carpenters within a reasonable traveling distance from home. They all want full qualifications, 5 years experience and CSCS. My son even wrote a fantastic covering letter and along with a copy of his CV and portfolio, sent it out via email, post and even in person to every single carpentry company in the area. Nothing heard back at all, nothing.
During discussions with the college, there are simply not the placements available in order for progression onto a level 3 which needs to be an apprenticeship. He’s doing the next 12 months carpentry unpaid on a council internship just to try and get some experience behind him in order to get his foot in the door with an apprenticeship the following year.
He may have spent three years of his life qualifying for a job which may be totally out of reach, ending up as a site labourer is increasingly looking like his job. A career path he has been set on since he was 15 after being told about a local shortage of carpenters. We are failing our young.
I imagine there is a huge shortage of Millenial Tradesmen because building companies just used cheap Eastern European labour during the mid to late 2000’s, plus schools just pushed everyone to go to university instead of learning a trade.
skills shortage or vacancy shortage? or Both? Be reasonable here.
I guarantee given the current jobs market there is a queue to get on and involved in this. Remind yourself how many people of working age are not in education or training (not excluding the ones currently studying or where its been excluded by the ONS for whatever the reason)? I understand not everyone can do the phsyical labour but there are other parts of building a home that dont involve this and can be done by others with the right skillset.
Tradespeople earn more than our elected officials. How are you going to get people to apply and involved in the training if no opportunities exist??
This once again proves to me that the housing market is rigged. They (you know who) want a treacle of homes built not a flood as it would lead to collapse of the housing market that is so far propping up our failed economy.
It’s not a skill shortage it’s a wage shortage. If you’re struggling to hire people it’s because you’re not offering enough money
The UK establishment is like a drug addict in denial when it comes to immigration, it’s always „I only need one more hit“.
What if we let ANOTHER 1.5 million people in to build the homes, sorted! /s
I heard in a recent video that developers have planning permission for 4million homes but they won’t build them to keep pricings inflating.
Went to an open day at the trade bit at Rotherham College.
They said that there are over 100 applicants for every apprenticeship.
I dislike the whole tone of the debate around this, which seems to be „if we have a shortage of tradespeople then we should just slump down and do nothing“.
First do a massive planning reform so it’s really easy to build and the private sector spikes.
Second do a big public house building program (and end the ludicrous right to buy).
Third if you don’t have enough people then start proper training programs for them to learn and upskill now that there is plenty of sustained work for them.
Fourth invest in technology, flatpack housing components which are factory made and only assembled onsite which need less skill to build. 3D printing houses, concrete poured houses etc.
Fifth if there’s not enough infrastructure like roads, rail, power lines etc then get on and build that too.
This country has become so defeatist and helpless. We just need to do things and try again.
The Victorians would literally be hanging their heads in shame at what we have become.
They should let people live in sheds. Then I could be a home owner.
I must admit I didn’t had that one on my Bingo „Gov Excuse“ Card … damn they are creative..
If only there was a huge pool of skilled workers living in a continent close to us. Oh wait no i remember, we fucked ourselves with Brexit.
We need to not solely rely on the apprenticeship route. Set up a national building/ engineering company that has training at its heart, lean into training for all ages, with a route for self employed to have an easy well paid time training in the autumn of their careers.
And the option to keep training and to specialize so we have a bank of knowledge and skill for large scale projects like tunnels and bridges etc.
I work in trade and the obsession that those who have no clue have with apprenticeships is weird.
What skills?
New build houses are built by non skilled workers
Great news for me. Starting a new contract soon and they’re desperate for labour they can’t find. As a result I’m estimating 400-500 a day.
Skills shortages are massive in the construction industry, and it isn’t going to get better any time soon I don’t think.
There was a skills shortage because training up young people was discouraged when we had so much immigration. Todays mid 30 year olds are those who couldn’t get a start on a building site 15-20 years ago because they were using cheap EU labour. I am one of these people, that’s my lived experience, being young and eager and every job/training opportunity slammed shut in my face.
Stop encouraging so many young people to University, getting degrees that many will never use.
Bullshit. There’s no skills shortage, there’s a surplus of unskilled tradesmen though, if my new build is anything to go by.
The best tradies will be self employed contractors, who fetch a premium and thus will be employed by the top tier private building firms or individuals. Which leaves the rest. The government whilst trying to achieve value for the tax payer would end up with the problem ones. You know the type, the ones the public has been begging government to take seriously for decades.
Well designed prefabs with actual quality control checks during installation would be the way forward.
There’s been a skills shortage in the building industry for decades. A physically demanding job in all weathers isn’t as attractive as it used to be. Its not just a skills shortage its also a lack of people willing to learn the skills. I’m sure people have plenty of anecdotes about how hard it is to find a suitable training course, the reason for that is lack of demand for those training courses.
I’ve a friend who was a regional exec of David Wilson homes who said a good few years ago, there was a limit of around 300k houses that could be built in the UK due to supply constraints as building materials, bricks, timber frames were working at capacity along with the manpower to do the work
Entirely predictable and exacerbated by Brexit.
To look even vaguely credible the UK governments from 2016 on should have been investing in and incentitivising construction training.
Serious question: I’m in my early 30s and work in IT. I’d much prefer to retrain and help build houses for future generations, but how do I retrain without also going bankrupt in the process?
It would help if there were schemes to hep adults retrain into trades. There are probably a lot of jaded office workers who would love a chance to leave that behind.
The solution is simple.
Offer better salaries and more people will be willing to learn.
And to make sure that the prices do not go up and things actually get built.
Have the government create several construction companies.
Each company is to operate on market principles.
Have them build what ever gives the highest profit, and sell and rent out and the highest possible price they can get.
Have all the profits go to a fund and the fund can only be used to build more and for maintenance, and nothing else.
Keep on building until profits hit +-0.
Multiple companies are needed so that the government can see which board of directors is doing poorly and remove all of them, because the companies will be building similar things and if one company is doing much worse than another, then it is the boards fault.
This program is not to be used for any type of dumping ground for people who are not good enough for any type of job. It is a job like any other and if they do not perform well, then they are to be fired just like any other job.
Start small scale and gradually expand as money and experience is gained.
So start training people. Make it easy to try some new stuff out.
The picture also highlights the problem: an outdated and slow construction process for a 100-year-old style property. Almost no one builds like this in Europe anymore.
Eastern EU (Poland, Romania, etc) has a lot of builders, but they cannot come to work in the UK anymore.
This pledge from Labour was always loopy but it did its job and got people to vote for them.
Why set the bar at 1.5m and not 15 or 100m? We have a massive skills shortage especially after Brexit when people left the UK.
To make impossible to realise pledges either means Labour take us for fools or they themselves are fools for not validating how deliverable their pledges were before they made them.
State of new houses these days, thought there had been a skill shortage for years….
This is a shit hole of a country, where nothing really works. Everyone is in it for themselves, so there is always going to be a short term thinking.
Simple solution to the housing crisis: confiscate all BTL / empty properties and redistribute them to those in indeed. Shoot any BTL landlord who gets in the way.
Where is this planning reform that was promised? There’s literally no messaging around this. Starmer needs to be grabbing headlines every single day Trump style.
There a massive class issue in this country where those who do jobs that get stuff done are perceived as „less“ than even those with the „bullshit jobs“
And then people get surprised that we live in a country comprised of managers with no labourers to be managed.
It’s not due to magic on or genetics that many other countries manage to produce a lot of skilled, proud craftsmen. It’s a society that values them vs one that doesn’t.
Yet all bursaries have been removed for vocational subjects. Who’s going to teach all the little fuckers?
Skills shortage, cos Tories cut jobs in those industries. People having less kids cos of cost of having them. Add cost of living into the mix. People aren’t getting homes cos rich making huge gains from Tory cuts.
Any government pledge on housing you instantly knock it down to 25% of the original lie, I mean promise, knock 100k extra off and at that point you’re probably still being too generous.
Tell us something we didn’t already know. Not to mention all the areas where the water infrastructure cannot cope with anymore new homes.