I would still take them over reform and conservatives… it’s been 12 months, let them make mistakes they have a long way to go before they are as bad as the conservatives.
Front_Mention on
This was shown with the conservatives. The rise of social media and exposure to news means opinion polls are very spikey
TheLyam on
It does feel like the media wants them to fail in order to get Reform in power.
SameSafety7338 on
(From the link)”The findings have been compiled by the PA news agency”. From Wikipedia “PA Media is a multimedia news agency. It is part of PA Media Group Limited, a private company with 26 shareholders, most of whom are national and regional newspaper publishers. The biggest shareholders include the Daily Mail and General Trust, News UK, and Informa.” Thanks LBC, expected nothing less.
FlimsyDistance9437 on
Unfortunately it seems they aren’t going to take the more radical policy decisions the country needs and the public expects.
00DEADBEEF on
Yeah well serves them right for not fixing 14 years of decline in five minutes
InMyLiverpoolHome25 on
The problem is its a year in and nobody really knows what they stand for and what their plan is.
People will take short term pain if you bring them on a journey with you and sell them a vision that things will get better.
It also doesnt inspire confidence when they announce stuff and then backtrack
znidz on
Enjoy a Reform UK government.
Hopefully they’ll look after our disabled friends. I’m sure they will.
DefinitelyARealHorse on
Are they doing a great job? No, not really.
Would I expect them to turn around 14 years of Tory fuck ups in 12 months? Absolutely not.
SadWorld1397 on
It’s comical that anyone thinks that the conservatives could poodle back in and save the UK by implementing policies that fucked it up over the past two decades…. Or that Nigel could ride in , galloping in on his purebred , clutching his contract (bullshit promises where terms and conditions will apply) waving it around like Excalibur. All paid for by foreign billionaires and governments and whilst smoking a fag and drinking a warm pintofpiss reform the UK into a 1950s Utopia where men are men and women are in the kitchen, where immigrants live abroad and smog cures cancer…where there are no waiting list to see an NHS doctor as there is no NHS….and all your rights belong to him.
The system wasn’t broken in a day and it won’t be fixed by chancers, charlatans, or even competent leaders in a day, week or year.
Labour didn’t sell off water, gas etc for a quick tax break.
Labour didn’t goto the EU parliament for years to collect a pension and repeatedly undermine it to trigger Brexit, then run away for a decade to rebrand, leaving the country to try and steer it’s way through the willofthepeople…..
Starmer is a boring tit and some of his policies suck balls, but unlike Reform, cons, etc ,at least he isn’t bending me over, unbuttoning his trousers and telling me this is for the good of the country.
nigeltuffnell on
Since the 90s? So since their election in 1997 where they were taking over from a collapsing Tory party, were voted back in twice and oversaw a decade of continuous growth? That first-year poll drop in the 1990’s?
Human-Egg2793 on
I understand that this iteration of Labour aren’t everyone’s cup of tea, but DO YOU NOT REMEMBER THE LAST 14 YEARS????
We have zero hope.
MrGrizzle84 on
Turns out the public don’t want Tory-lite either.
If Labour actually pursued redistributing the wealth of the country and improved people’s lives they might do better. Unfortunately they don’t want to do that.
gar1848 on
Jeez, it is almosr like throwing trans people, disabled folks and the working class under the bus is a bad idea
And people still wonder why the Greens and Libdems are growing
FuzzBuket on
Man and I thought we were all told that actually shifting to the centre or right is what folk were gagging for.
Turns out people might actually prefer leaders who have opinions, charisma and policy that benefits their base and energizes non voters, over appealing to the oppositions base with as much charm as a moldy cheese string
Broccoli--Enthusiast on
Not even a labour voters but it’s insane how hard they have been targeted
Its like „why haven’t you fixed a decade and a halfs worth of tory fucks ups in a year“ – „what can’t you fix all the problems while cutting tax to nothing“
The Media is so fucking toxic, calling out problem that have existed for years and years now that their tory buddies aren’t the ones who have the answer the hard questions. They don’t even hide but but people don’t want to see it.
B1ueRogue on
This country is doomed because of its culture of self hatred …the economy is actually growing amd yet all we hear is doom and gloom …just let starmer sort this situation out ..he’s a great statesman which is what this country needs..we dont need wishful thinking from reform like a brexot round 2 ..for God sake stop voting them in, there is even reports of reform mps not knowing what to do never mind how to run the country, hold fast we cant keep rocking the ship.
Sonchay on
I see this as similar to 1974. Labour have won the election not through the strength of its platform or popularity of its leadership, but through disarray in their opponents. Then, much like that time, they have gone on to govern in a manner that is surprisingly similar to their predecessors.
On this occasion, I think Labour are doing more of a better job, but they’ll need to get a grip on their messaging, party and the economy soon if they don’t want to face a re-run of 1979.
pdirth on
When the country gets so fed up of one party’s policies that they vote you into power, its probably a good idea not to just throw your values out the window and continue that party’s policies anyway….and these’ll be the same fucking morons that’ll act shocked when Reform get in next time and blame the voters.
TheRealestBiz on
I see you’re using the American left strategy, “teaching Labour a lesson” by putting the Tories back in. demanding instant results after like twenty years of Tory rule.
I encourage you to do it. Teach your side a lesson by abandoning them after a year in powerafter, again, more than fifteen years of Conservstive rule.
They just opened the first concentration camp on American soil and they’re leveling Gaza block by block with our president’s blessing. Go ahead and “teach them a lesson.”
JaneAppleyard on
To be honest the news cycle nowadays is real time and a lot of people have lost their heads. These constant polls just fuel the constant bin fire. There were some deluded folks decrying Starmer as worst PM ever and calling for an election after the PIP debacle. It’s a shitshow but not a national crisis.
Labour leadership just need to grow some balls and have courage in their convictions. It doesn’t matter what you’re polling in years 1, 2, 3, 4 into a term of government. The only thing that matters is how people are feeling on election day.
Important_Ruin on
Still prefer labour than anything reform or tories are offering.
Give me a Labour/Lib-Dem coalition in 2029.
Doesn’t help right wing media has such a hold, just look at this sub. Constant telegraph, daily mail articles because they drive traffic to the sub, even more so if it rage bait inducing.
psrandom on
People voted Labour because either they wanted better management of country than Tories or they wanted more left wing policies
Starmer keeps categorically rejecting any slightly left wing policy. And for all major right wing policies, he keeps making U-turns
Why would anyone be happy with govt right now?
SinisterPixel on
The thing Labour seem to be struggling to grasp is their win was very much down to not wanting more Tories, and yet so many of their moves seem right out of the Tory playbook.
They seem fixated on appealing to right wing voters but the majority vote was for a left wing party. Anyone still voting right is just going to vote Tory, or somehow worse, Reform. Meanwhile they’re driving a divide through left wing voters who now need to pick between the tactical vote, or voting for a party that even slightly aligns with their views.
It feels like they’ve gone very Lib Dem in terms of being a centralist party that will lean a different way depending on who’s at the helm.
darkcamel2018 on
Being complicit in a genocide isn’t popular with the centre- left.
brixton_massive on
It’s because social media reach and therefore anti labour propaganda is stronger than ever.
Not saying labour haven’t done anything wrong but the weaponry against them is as strong as ever.
Peachy-SheRa on
When you’ve got populist agitators such as Reform in the wings telling everyone what they want to hear, even though most of it is tosh, nobody else governing will ever be good enough. What’s the point in delaying the inevitable. Let Farage have it. Let him be accountable for HIS mess he’s created for a change.
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I would still take them over reform and conservatives… it’s been 12 months, let them make mistakes they have a long way to go before they are as bad as the conservatives.
This was shown with the conservatives. The rise of social media and exposure to news means opinion polls are very spikey
It does feel like the media wants them to fail in order to get Reform in power.
(From the link)”The findings have been compiled by the PA news agency”. From Wikipedia “PA Media is a multimedia news agency. It is part of PA Media Group Limited, a private company with 26 shareholders, most of whom are national and regional newspaper publishers. The biggest shareholders include the Daily Mail and General Trust, News UK, and Informa.” Thanks LBC, expected nothing less.
Unfortunately it seems they aren’t going to take the more radical policy decisions the country needs and the public expects.
Yeah well serves them right for not fixing 14 years of decline in five minutes
The problem is its a year in and nobody really knows what they stand for and what their plan is.
People will take short term pain if you bring them on a journey with you and sell them a vision that things will get better.
It also doesnt inspire confidence when they announce stuff and then backtrack
Enjoy a Reform UK government.
Hopefully they’ll look after our disabled friends. I’m sure they will.
Are they doing a great job? No, not really.
Would I expect them to turn around 14 years of Tory fuck ups in 12 months? Absolutely not.
It’s comical that anyone thinks that the conservatives could poodle back in and save the UK by implementing policies that fucked it up over the past two decades…. Or that Nigel could ride in , galloping in on his purebred , clutching his contract (bullshit promises where terms and conditions will apply) waving it around like Excalibur. All paid for by foreign billionaires and governments and whilst smoking a fag and drinking a warm pintofpiss reform the UK into a 1950s Utopia where men are men and women are in the kitchen, where immigrants live abroad and smog cures cancer…where there are no waiting list to see an NHS doctor as there is no NHS….and all your rights belong to him.
The system wasn’t broken in a day and it won’t be fixed by chancers, charlatans, or even competent leaders in a day, week or year.
Labour didn’t sell off water, gas etc for a quick tax break.
Labour didn’t goto the EU parliament for years to collect a pension and repeatedly undermine it to trigger Brexit, then run away for a decade to rebrand, leaving the country to try and steer it’s way through the willofthepeople…..
Starmer is a boring tit and some of his policies suck balls, but unlike Reform, cons, etc ,at least he isn’t bending me over, unbuttoning his trousers and telling me this is for the good of the country.
Since the 90s? So since their election in 1997 where they were taking over from a collapsing Tory party, were voted back in twice and oversaw a decade of continuous growth? That first-year poll drop in the 1990’s?
I understand that this iteration of Labour aren’t everyone’s cup of tea, but DO YOU NOT REMEMBER THE LAST 14 YEARS????
We have zero hope.
Turns out the public don’t want Tory-lite either.
If Labour actually pursued redistributing the wealth of the country and improved people’s lives they might do better. Unfortunately they don’t want to do that.
Jeez, it is almosr like throwing trans people, disabled folks and the working class under the bus is a bad idea
And people still wonder why the Greens and Libdems are growing
Man and I thought we were all told that actually shifting to the centre or right is what folk were gagging for.
Turns out people might actually prefer leaders who have opinions, charisma and policy that benefits their base and energizes non voters, over appealing to the oppositions base with as much charm as a moldy cheese string
Not even a labour voters but it’s insane how hard they have been targeted
Its like „why haven’t you fixed a decade and a halfs worth of tory fucks ups in a year“ – „what can’t you fix all the problems while cutting tax to nothing“
The Media is so fucking toxic, calling out problem that have existed for years and years now that their tory buddies aren’t the ones who have the answer the hard questions. They don’t even hide but but people don’t want to see it.
This country is doomed because of its culture of self hatred …the economy is actually growing amd yet all we hear is doom and gloom …just let starmer sort this situation out ..he’s a great statesman which is what this country needs..we dont need wishful thinking from reform like a brexot round 2 ..for God sake stop voting them in, there is even reports of reform mps not knowing what to do never mind how to run the country, hold fast we cant keep rocking the ship.
I see this as similar to 1974. Labour have won the election not through the strength of its platform or popularity of its leadership, but through disarray in their opponents. Then, much like that time, they have gone on to govern in a manner that is surprisingly similar to their predecessors.
On this occasion, I think Labour are doing more of a better job, but they’ll need to get a grip on their messaging, party and the economy soon if they don’t want to face a re-run of 1979.
When the country gets so fed up of one party’s policies that they vote you into power, its probably a good idea not to just throw your values out the window and continue that party’s policies anyway….and these’ll be the same fucking morons that’ll act shocked when Reform get in next time and blame the voters.
I see you’re using the American left strategy, “teaching Labour a lesson” by putting the Tories back in. demanding instant results after like twenty years of Tory rule.
I encourage you to do it. Teach your side a lesson by abandoning them after a year in powerafter, again, more than fifteen years of Conservstive rule.
They just opened the first concentration camp on American soil and they’re leveling Gaza block by block with our president’s blessing. Go ahead and “teach them a lesson.”
To be honest the news cycle nowadays is real time and a lot of people have lost their heads. These constant polls just fuel the constant bin fire. There were some deluded folks decrying Starmer as worst PM ever and calling for an election after the PIP debacle. It’s a shitshow but not a national crisis.
Labour leadership just need to grow some balls and have courage in their convictions. It doesn’t matter what you’re polling in years 1, 2, 3, 4 into a term of government. The only thing that matters is how people are feeling on election day.
Still prefer labour than anything reform or tories are offering.
Give me a Labour/Lib-Dem coalition in 2029.
Doesn’t help right wing media has such a hold, just look at this sub. Constant telegraph, daily mail articles because they drive traffic to the sub, even more so if it rage bait inducing.
People voted Labour because either they wanted better management of country than Tories or they wanted more left wing policies
Starmer keeps categorically rejecting any slightly left wing policy. And for all major right wing policies, he keeps making U-turns
Why would anyone be happy with govt right now?
The thing Labour seem to be struggling to grasp is their win was very much down to not wanting more Tories, and yet so many of their moves seem right out of the Tory playbook.
They seem fixated on appealing to right wing voters but the majority vote was for a left wing party. Anyone still voting right is just going to vote Tory, or somehow worse, Reform. Meanwhile they’re driving a divide through left wing voters who now need to pick between the tactical vote, or voting for a party that even slightly aligns with their views.
It feels like they’ve gone very Lib Dem in terms of being a centralist party that will lean a different way depending on who’s at the helm.
Being complicit in a genocide isn’t popular with the centre- left.
It’s because social media reach and therefore anti labour propaganda is stronger than ever.
Not saying labour haven’t done anything wrong but the weaponry against them is as strong as ever.
When you’ve got populist agitators such as Reform in the wings telling everyone what they want to hear, even though most of it is tosh, nobody else governing will ever be good enough. What’s the point in delaying the inevitable. Let Farage have it. Let him be accountable for HIS mess he’s created for a change.