Priester bestreitet die Abgeordnete Holy Communion über seine Unterstützung für assistierte sterbende Rechnung
https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/priest-denies-mp-holy-communion-over-his-support-for-assisted-dying-bill
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Church and politics, a duo as compatible as pineapple on pizza.
Roman Catholicism has rules placed on adherents to the faith, if you don’t like those rules why continue to want to be a member of that Church?
> Priest denies MP holy communion over his support for assisted dying bill
A bit high and mighty for an organisation with a child rapist problem
If this article doesn’t contain an „holier than thou“-style quote I’ll be very disappointed.
This the same church that says to hate the sin and not the sinner?
Bit hypocritical to adhere to one part of the teaching and not another, especially from a man of the cloth.
„Were the disposal of human life so much reserved as the peculiar province of the almighty, that it were an encroachment on his right for men to dispose of their own lives; it would be equally criminal to act for the preservation of life as for its destruction.“ – David Hume
Jesus was euthanized. He wasn’t killed against his will. If he fought with all his might to continue living in spite of what was for the best then it would have kinda undermined his message.
Surely he could exercise compassion and forgiveness, like they do for diddlers.
Catholic in ‚being in favour of people suffering‘ shocker.
His concern is that his kids‘ friends were there at church when the priest said this. Does he think enduring truths will change to protect his reputation🙄 Entitled as heck.
Same catholic church which, when asked what to do when pregnant woman needs an emergency abortion or both she and the child she’s carrying dies, answers „let both of them die“?
That’s rich.
Communion is symbolic cannibalism. That’s how outdated is the church.
I’m not remotely religious but on the flip side have no issue with a priest doing this. The priest subscribes to the religious doctrine of the Roman Church, as does its congregation.
Canon Law specifically states that those who are ‘obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion’. The priest is clearly interpreting public support for legislation like an assisted dying bill as being contrary to Church teaching (which it is) on the sanctity of life.
It’s the right of the priest to judge the MP’s actions as gravely sinful and public, justifying the denial of communion to avoid scandal within the community.
Obvisouly you might ask yourself why you would to be a member of the congregation if you disagree with these fundamental religious teachings, but thats a question for the MP.
I feel like this is what you sign up for with the Catholic Church. You can’t just not believe in the religion stuff and keep going for the socials, that’s what Anglicanism is for.
Remind me why religion gets so many free passes in our society?
> Although he made no reference to it, this priest is also well aware that he is responsible for signing off my children’s education forms for the Catholic state school they attend.
Yeah and this is why some of us have been shouting about disentangling religious institutions from things that matter for pretty much forever. It seems people only take notice when bullshit is dumped on their doorstep.
Frankly this is the system people supported. I look forward to you joining us on the sensible side of this debate.
Seems a bit rich to be honest, it’s not like Chris Coghlan (or indeed any of the MPs voting in favour) has single handily killed people, instead allowing those who feel that the end is close to bring it a bit closer. Somehow it’s deemed alright to allow a human to suffer, for months or even years on end, but not to allow that human the right to choose when to die.
I get that it’s a sin for Catholics to take up this assisted dying position themselves (although I’d argue that it’s muddy if we allow Catholics health treatment), but it shouldn’t be up to someone else if they commit that sin.
And this is why we need. Reformation… Er… hang on a minute… don’t we already have one of these
Didn’t Jesus know he was going to die and sacrificed himself for people, so basically committed suicide.
Dont people that want to use assisted suicide, sacrifice themselves so they are not a burden on their loved ones.
So they are all for Jesus sacrificing himself but now all life matters?
From the [Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion: General Principles](https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/worthiness-to-receive-holy-communion-general-principles-2153) by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, later Pope Benedict XVI, published 2004:
> 1. Presenting oneself to receive Holy Communion should be a conscious decision, based on a reasoned judgment regarding one’s worthiness to do so, according to the Church’s objective criteria, asking such questions as: „Am I in full communion with the Catholic Church? Am I guilty of grave sin? Have I incurred a penalty (e.g. excommunication, interdict) that forbids me to receive Holy Communion? Have I prepared myself by fasting for at least an hour?“ The practice of indiscriminately presenting oneself to receive Holy Communion, merely as a consequence of being present at Mass, is an abuse that must be corrected (cf. Instruction „Redemptionis Sacramentum,“ nos. 81, 83).
> 2. The Church teaches that abortion or euthanasia is a grave sin. The Encyclical Letter Evangelium vitae, with reference to judicial decisions or civil laws that authorize or promote abortion or euthanasia, states that there is a „grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. […] In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to ‚take part in a propaganda campaign in favour of such a law or vote for it'“ (no. 73). Christians have a „grave obligation of conscience not to cooperate formally in practices which, even if permitted by civil legislation, are contrary to God’s law. Indeed, from the moral standpoint, it is never licit to cooperate formally in evil. […] This cooperation can never be justified either by invoking respect for the freedom of others or by appealing to the fact that civil law permits it or requires it“ (no. 74).
> 3. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
> 4. Apart from an individual’s judgment about his worthiness to present himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, the minister of Holy Communion may find himself in the situation where he must refuse to distribute Holy Communion to someone, such as in cases of a declared excommunication, a declared interdict, or an obstinate persistence in manifest grave sin (cf. can. 915).
> 5. Regarding the grave sin of abortion or euthanasia, when a person’s formal cooperation becomes manifest (understood, in the case of a Catholic politician, as his consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws), his Pastor should meet with him, instructing him about the Church’s teaching, informing him that he is not to present himself for Holy Communion until he brings to an end the objective situation of sin, and warning him that he will otherwise be denied the Eucharist.
> 6. When „these precautionary measures have not had their effect or in which they were not possible,“ and the person in question, with obstinate persistence, still presents himself to receive the Holy Eucharist, „the minister of Holy Communion must refuse to distribute it“ (cf. Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts Declaration „Holy Communion and Divorced, Civilly Remarried Catholics“ [2002], nos. 3-4). This decision, properly speaking, is not a sanction or a penalty. Nor is the minister of Holy Communion passing judgment on the person’s subjective guilt, but rather is reacting to the person’s public unworthiness to receive Holy Communion due to an objective situation of sin.