Die Republikaner des Senats veröffentlichen einen 940-seitigen Gesetzentwurf für Trumps Agenda, während sie an diesem Wochenende zur Abstimmung rennen,
Die Republikaner des Senats veröffentlichen einen 940-seitigen Gesetzentwurf für Trumps Agenda, während sie an diesem Wochenende zur Abstimmung rennen,
Has the parliamentarian ruled on whether or not they can consider the Trump tax cuts revenue neutral?
Face2FaceRecs on
Surprise, surprise, they drop the bomb right before they go to vote. Nothing like this should be able to be passed with a simple majority. This bill is plundering everyday Americans.
Colonel-Mooseknuckle on
Are they providing a CliffsNotes version? Or would that tip everyone off to all the bullshit they have crammed in there?
Shady motherfuckers.
ReaderBeeRottweiler on
The ridiculousness and cruelty of this bill is astounding. Cut Medicaid for all, but set up a 25 billion dollar fund for rural areas only to fund their hospitals.
Senator Josh Hawley, of Missouri, just told a reporter his vote is now a yes, because he’s confident his state will get the Medicaid funds it needs.
per NYTimes:
„He said he was confident that changes in the bill will increase Medicaid money in his state at least in the short term.“
Fund poor, red, rural areas and reduce funding everywhere else.
NATO_Will_Prevail on
The public land sale is still on the bill.
This isn’t the final vote is it?
IANAL, and reading this stuff that amends existing law is a chore, but wrt IRS individual income tax, and in particular the senior related bits, I come up with a rather interesting result.
I’ll focus on a 65+yo single filer 2025 tax year:
>SEC. 70102. EXTENSION AND ENHANCEMENT OF INCREASED STANDARD DEDUCTION.
Standard deduction will be $15,750
>SEC. 70103. TERMINATION OF DEDUCTION FOR PERSONAL EXEMPTIONS OTHER THAN TEMPORARY SENIOR DEDUCTION.
A **brand new** deduction (2025-2028) for qualified seniors, starting at $6000 (with a 75k MAGI rolloff)
–
**AND** as far as I can tell, no changes *whatsoever* to the „additional standard deduction“ (for Aged and Blind), which for 65+Single will be $2000 for 2025.
So $15750std+$2000age+$6000temp; House version was $16000std+$4000age(thru 2028?)
Other interesting bits…
>CHAPTER 2—DELIVERING ON PRESIDENTIAL PRIORITIES TO PROVIDE NEW MIDDLE-CLASS TAX RELIEF
>Sec. 70201. No tax on tips.
New deduction, max $25000
>Sec. 70202. No tax on overtime.
New deduction, max $12500
>Sec. 70203. No tax on car loan interest.
New deduction (2025-2028) max $10000
>Sec. 70204. Trump accounts and contribution pilot program
whatproblems on
didn’t they complain heartily about large bills? peperridge farm remembers
brotherkin on
This explains why they were putting up barricades around the White House…
galtoramech8699 on
So Rand Paul lasted a day
Delicious-Oven7692 on
California, NY, time to stop paying red states bills.
Guer0Guer0 on
They should all be required to pass a test on the bill’s provisions in order for it to be voted on.
Kujen on
They shouldn’t be allowed to vote on something they haven’t fully read. And you know *none* of them have read all 940 pages.
thatirishguyyyyy on
JFC. I asked chat GPT to parse this bill ( has anybody seen how fucking large it is?) and give me an unbiased summary. We are so fucked:
Why the Bill Is Considered Problematic
Deficit Explosion
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects the bill will add $2.6 trillion to the national debt over 10 years, including interest. The Council of Economic Advisers claims it will reduce the deficit, but their projections rely on optimistic economic growth assumptions not supported by the bill’s text.
Large Tax Cuts — Especially for the Wealthy
The bill makes Trump-era tax cuts permanent, including expanded pass-through deductions and state and local tax (SALT) breaks.
It also increases the child tax credit, but critics argue the benefits skew toward higher-income households.
Cuts to Social Safety Nets
The bill shifts SNAP (food assistance) work requirements to state control and imposes administrative penalties for error rates.
It also introduces Medicaid reforms that include new work requirements, which could restrict access for vulnerable populations.
Massive Discretionary Spending
The bill includes approximately $150 billion in new defense spending, including funding for uncrewed drone systems and the so-called „Golden Dome“ defense initiative.
It also allocates around $70 billion for border security, including funding for 46 new wall segments and expanded deportation infrastructure.
Rollbacks of Green Energy Incentives
The bill repeals several clean energy tax credits that were enacted under the Inflation Reduction Act, potentially undermining renewable energy development and climate policy goals.
Border Security & Immigration Enforcement
Massive New Funding for Enforcement Agencies
Allocates $46.5 billion for barrier and wall construction, access roads, lighting, and surveillance along the U.S.–Mexico border .
Provides $5 billion for Customs and Border Protection (CBP) facilities and checkpoints near southwest, northern, and maritime borders .
ESPN $4.1 billion to hire and train additional Border Patrol agents, OFO officers, Air & Marine agents, plus $2.05 billion in bonuses, $813 million for new vehicles, $750 million for FLETC, and $600 million for recruitment .
ICE Expansion & Detention Facilities
Funds 10,000 new ICE personnel, 3,000 new Border Patrol agents, and bonuses of $10,000/year over four years .
Allocates $45 billion for new detention facilities, and $5 billion to build/expand capacity .
Plans for daily detention capacity of 100,000 migrants and funding for 1 million deportations per year .
Stricter Asylum Rules & High Fees
Imposes a $1,000 application fee for asylum seekers and an additional $100 per year fee for pending cases .
Includes new administrative fees for appeals and Temporary Protected Status (TPS) applications, which critics say will deter low‑income and vulnerable populations .
Tightens asylum and screening for unaccompanied children, enabling expedited deportation unless trafficking or credible fear is found .
Wrong-Junket5973 on
I have no hope that this won’t pass. All hope is lost.
loztriforce on
Fuck the GOP and its supporters/enablers
SeanTr0n5000 on
How the fuck is it legal to release a bill and then force a vote before anyone is able to read it
Wish_it_was_better on
Anyone find it funny how much they are willing to “rush” for this bill but when it comes time for a budget to avoid a shutdown they drag their feet?
wendellnebbin on
Omnibus bill BAD! (unless it’s ours)
dBlock845 on
The most worrying thing for me in this bill is the massive expansion of ICE and private prisons/detention facilities. 4x budget increase and another +10000 masked jagoffs snatching people from courthouses, farms, home depot, and schools.
Harvey_Rabbit330 on
Seems reasonable in the current age of lunacy.
PaydayLover69 on
can’t wait till we find out that Trump rigged the election, he never actually won and all this bullshit he put through is void.
nirvana_always1 on
The government model people 500 years made sucks. These people on government has manipulated it to benefit themselves and people who own them.
CrackSmokingGypsy on
Plenty of time for them to not read it again….
OLPopsAdelphia on
I don’t even think they’re looking for voters anymore. I think they’re only looking for investors.
It feels like the majority of the population just got thrown off a cliff and we’re still expected to pay on the way down.
mhsuffhrdd on
„Trump met with two key holdouts — Sen. Rick Scott of Florida and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin — on Saturday, just hours before GOP leaders hoped to hold the vote“
„Met with“ meaning threatened, bribed, or both?
5of10 on
We, as a country, are in so much trouble, and its only going to get worse. 🙁
mrroofuis on
I’m guessing we’re headed for the whole
„OH I didn’t know that was on the bill. If I’d known i would’ve voted NO.“
Senate will probably vote YES without reading the bill
Sharpeagle96 on
I’m tired boss.
Fickle-Molasses-903 on
The majority of white people who voted on November 5th, 2024: ‚We did that and we’ll do it again. Six months in and three plus more years of this.‘
*Of those who voted, 60% of wt males/ 53% of Wt females voted for Trump.*
SMH
bjdevar25 on
Will they all actually read it? My guess is none will. It will be their excuse when constituents are mad. Of course, what fools would still vote for them? Sadly, most. We’re screwed.
Gunningham on
Do we get another speech about how MGT didn’t read it?
bound24 on
I am trying to find the information on pell grant being cut or funding changes?
SavingsAdvantage1046 on
They just really want to go on vacation
judgejuddhirsch on
There was an interesting caveat in there that in order to receive medicade, you need 80 hours of work per month to age 65 unless you make under 75k. But there is no time frame.
The current interpretation is that the clock starts at 18, and every missed month gets added on after 65.
Similar-Low-3114 on
I’m tired man. I’m so tired. No one in power gives a shit about us. Responding to extremists with pleases and silence got us here and now we are in a perpetual hole
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Are they voting today?
Has the parliamentarian ruled on whether or not they can consider the Trump tax cuts revenue neutral?
Surprise, surprise, they drop the bomb right before they go to vote. Nothing like this should be able to be passed with a simple majority. This bill is plundering everyday Americans.
Are they providing a CliffsNotes version? Or would that tip everyone off to all the bullshit they have crammed in there?
Shady motherfuckers.
The ridiculousness and cruelty of this bill is astounding. Cut Medicaid for all, but set up a 25 billion dollar fund for rural areas only to fund their hospitals.
Senator Josh Hawley, of Missouri, just told a reporter his vote is now a yes, because he’s confident his state will get the Medicaid funds it needs.
per NYTimes:
„He said he was confident that changes in the bill will increase Medicaid money in his state at least in the short term.“
Fund poor, red, rural areas and reduce funding everywhere else.
The public land sale is still on the bill.
This isn’t the final vote is it?
Interesting reading…
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000197-b4b4-dde2-ab9f-b7b4777e0000
IANAL, and reading this stuff that amends existing law is a chore, but wrt IRS individual income tax, and in particular the senior related bits, I come up with a rather interesting result.
I’ll focus on a 65+yo single filer 2025 tax year:
>SEC. 70102. EXTENSION AND ENHANCEMENT OF INCREASED STANDARD DEDUCTION.
Standard deduction will be $15,750
>SEC. 70103. TERMINATION OF DEDUCTION FOR PERSONAL EXEMPTIONS OTHER THAN TEMPORARY SENIOR DEDUCTION.
A **brand new** deduction (2025-2028) for qualified seniors, starting at $6000 (with a 75k MAGI rolloff)
–
**AND** as far as I can tell, no changes *whatsoever* to the „additional standard deduction“ (for Aged and Blind), which for 65+Single will be $2000 for 2025.
So $15750std+$2000age+$6000temp; House version was $16000std+$4000age(thru 2028?)
Other interesting bits…
>CHAPTER 2—DELIVERING ON PRESIDENTIAL PRIORITIES TO PROVIDE NEW MIDDLE-CLASS TAX RELIEF
>Sec. 70201. No tax on tips.
New deduction, max $25000
>Sec. 70202. No tax on overtime.
New deduction, max $12500
>Sec. 70203. No tax on car loan interest.
New deduction (2025-2028) max $10000
>Sec. 70204. Trump accounts and contribution pilot program
didn’t they complain heartily about large bills? peperridge farm remembers
This explains why they were putting up barricades around the White House…
So Rand Paul lasted a day
California, NY, time to stop paying red states bills.
They should all be required to pass a test on the bill’s provisions in order for it to be voted on.
They shouldn’t be allowed to vote on something they haven’t fully read. And you know *none* of them have read all 940 pages.
JFC. I asked chat GPT to parse this bill ( has anybody seen how fucking large it is?) and give me an unbiased summary. We are so fucked:
Why the Bill Is Considered Problematic
Deficit Explosion
The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects the bill will add $2.6 trillion to the national debt over 10 years, including interest. The Council of Economic Advisers claims it will reduce the deficit, but their projections rely on optimistic economic growth assumptions not supported by the bill’s text.
Large Tax Cuts — Especially for the Wealthy
The bill makes Trump-era tax cuts permanent, including expanded pass-through deductions and state and local tax (SALT) breaks.
It also increases the child tax credit, but critics argue the benefits skew toward higher-income households.
Cuts to Social Safety Nets
The bill shifts SNAP (food assistance) work requirements to state control and imposes administrative penalties for error rates.
It also introduces Medicaid reforms that include new work requirements, which could restrict access for vulnerable populations.
Massive Discretionary Spending
The bill includes approximately $150 billion in new defense spending, including funding for uncrewed drone systems and the so-called „Golden Dome“ defense initiative.
It also allocates around $70 billion for border security, including funding for 46 new wall segments and expanded deportation infrastructure.
Rollbacks of Green Energy Incentives
The bill repeals several clean energy tax credits that were enacted under the Inflation Reduction Act, potentially undermining renewable energy development and climate policy goals.
Border Security & Immigration Enforcement
Massive New Funding for Enforcement Agencies
Allocates $46.5 billion for barrier and wall construction, access roads, lighting, and surveillance along the U.S.–Mexico border .
Provides $5 billion for Customs and Border Protection (CBP) facilities and checkpoints near southwest, northern, and maritime borders .
ESPN $4.1 billion to hire and train additional Border Patrol agents, OFO officers, Air & Marine agents, plus $2.05 billion in bonuses, $813 million for new vehicles, $750 million for FLETC, and $600 million for recruitment .
ICE Expansion & Detention Facilities
Funds 10,000 new ICE personnel, 3,000 new Border Patrol agents, and bonuses of $10,000/year over four years .
Allocates $45 billion for new detention facilities, and $5 billion to build/expand capacity .
Plans for daily detention capacity of 100,000 migrants and funding for 1 million deportations per year .
Stricter Asylum Rules & High Fees
Imposes a $1,000 application fee for asylum seekers and an additional $100 per year fee for pending cases .
Includes new administrative fees for appeals and Temporary Protected Status (TPS) applications, which critics say will deter low‑income and vulnerable populations .
Tightens asylum and screening for unaccompanied children, enabling expedited deportation unless trafficking or credible fear is found .
I have no hope that this won’t pass. All hope is lost.
Fuck the GOP and its supporters/enablers
How the fuck is it legal to release a bill and then force a vote before anyone is able to read it
Anyone find it funny how much they are willing to “rush” for this bill but when it comes time for a budget to avoid a shutdown they drag their feet?
Omnibus bill BAD! (unless it’s ours)
The most worrying thing for me in this bill is the massive expansion of ICE and private prisons/detention facilities. 4x budget increase and another +10000 masked jagoffs snatching people from courthouses, farms, home depot, and schools.
Seems reasonable in the current age of lunacy.
can’t wait till we find out that Trump rigged the election, he never actually won and all this bullshit he put through is void.
The government model people 500 years made sucks. These people on government has manipulated it to benefit themselves and people who own them.
Plenty of time for them to not read it again….
I don’t even think they’re looking for voters anymore. I think they’re only looking for investors.
It feels like the majority of the population just got thrown off a cliff and we’re still expected to pay on the way down.
„Trump met with two key holdouts — Sen. Rick Scott of Florida and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin — on Saturday, just hours before GOP leaders hoped to hold the vote“
„Met with“ meaning threatened, bribed, or both?
We, as a country, are in so much trouble, and its only going to get worse. 🙁
I’m guessing we’re headed for the whole
„OH I didn’t know that was on the bill. If I’d known i would’ve voted NO.“
Senate will probably vote YES without reading the bill
I’m tired boss.
The majority of white people who voted on November 5th, 2024: ‚We did that and we’ll do it again. Six months in and three plus more years of this.‘
*Of those who voted, 60% of wt males/ 53% of Wt females voted for Trump.*
SMH
Will they all actually read it? My guess is none will. It will be their excuse when constituents are mad. Of course, what fools would still vote for them? Sadly, most. We’re screwed.
Do we get another speech about how MGT didn’t read it?
I am trying to find the information on pell grant being cut or funding changes?
They just really want to go on vacation
There was an interesting caveat in there that in order to receive medicade, you need 80 hours of work per month to age 65 unless you make under 75k. But there is no time frame.
The current interpretation is that the clock starts at 18, and every missed month gets added on after 65.
I’m tired man. I’m so tired. No one in power gives a shit about us. Responding to extremists with pleases and silence got us here and now we are in a perpetual hole