This is just another reason why socialising online is distinctly inferior to socialising in real life.
Third spaces are disappearing, and being replaced by nothing tangible.
thedybbuk_ on
I don’t know why – I read about terrible events all the time – but this murder of two sisters and their mother really got to me today. And the fact that the father still talks to them to keep them close… The damage some men do in this world is beyond description. The wreckage they leave behind. I don’t have any answers, but I know the solution isn’t pretending it’s not a problem or not talking about it.
cthulhu-wallis on
It’s more fuelled by decades of magazines, tv, film and music.
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Much-Fall-9515 on
I have yet to meet a person like this in real life.
RatioFinal4287 on
Be a young man,
Earn less on average than women your age
Attend university less
Be imprisoned more
He homeless more
Have no special programs or quotas to help you specifically
Kill yourself more
Basically every negative thing that can happen to a person happens to you more and society as a whole will never care
„Misogyny is the biggest problem in our society women have it so much worse than men“-BBC
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Krytan on
I think social media encourages all kinds of group hatred or bigotry. Because you can constantly be presented with the worst actors in any group, it’s easy to think „Gosh they must all be like that“. Particularly if you are always online, or have very few meaningful real life friendships, there is no counterbalance to the ways in which groups online are reduced to their worst components and condemned on that basis.
Combine that with the fact that social media weaponizes negative emotion for profits, and is adept at skewing your algorithm to get you mad at somebody, and you can see the disaster heading our way.
spider_moltisanti69 on
It is. Social media makes women hate men which causes gender wars, which makes men dislike women. Seriously, for every Andrew Tate type there’s 50 women versions who spout similar rhetoric. Your average women’s twitter feed is just man hate
WhyHereLife on
The BBC today had a homophobic, transphobic propagandist on TV today, a woman enages regularly in misogyny but that’s okay
No_Camp_7 on
Classic whataboutism from men on r/unitedkingdom even after multiple murders explicitly linked to Andrew Tate
Turbulent_Art745 on
well its big business, miserable men make me money. Just look at the hours of youtube/tiktok dross about woke, immigrants and even stuff like EVs. You can make a lot of money selling people their misery if you dont mind selling your soul in the process (or never had one)
_Taggerung_ on
It is and it’s getting worse, it’s also not limited to the public but also in the medical sphere. It’s alarming the number of young men who just flat out hate women, they tend to also flat out hate immigrants, POC and LGBT+ people too.
Altruistic-Berry-31 on
Men in r/unitedkingdom trying not to whine about how „we’re *all* bad“, or „only a tiny minority“, or the best one, „all this sexism is just a moral panic in your imagination“ challenge: Impossible
gintokireddit on
I support her trying to tackle whatever specific pathways Clifford went through.
But I don’t believe the rise in misogyny is mostly due to boys not being taught to respect girls and women. It’s from society not being taught to respect male children’s normal needs, and then feminists bashing men and boys who’ve already had a lifetime of being invalidated, blamed and their real life problems (ie not their attitudes, but negatives things they go through, plus the lack of guidance they get) swept under the rug. Men don’t need to read Andrew Tate or similar to be more misogynistic, they just need to read the amount of generalising and negative assumptions about men in online feminist communities.
Yeh she’s right if it was a women’s issue it would be solved already, because women’s issues now get taken more seriously than men’s issues or men/boys with the same issues as women.
Ok-Autumn on
Yep. Social media is making people who probably wouldn’t have been misognistic (anymore than what was, unfortunately socially acceptable at the time) say, 30s years ago, become incels
My guess is that hearing about misogyny, (and misandry) all the time is causing people to search harder than they would have for alternative views, which are less socially acceptable, because they are sick of hearing about the ones being pushed, albeit for the right reasons. I don’t think the majority of people wake up every morning wanting to despise the other gender and put everyone opposite from them down. But it is one thing that can happen when people get fed up of one narrative being pushed too much.
When my grandad was a teen (about 1960) he went on a date with a girl he realised half way through he found to be too clingy and a bit „weird“. He mentioned to a friend of my great grandparents that he didn’t want to see her again. He must have talked about her in a not very PC way because he was told by a greatest generation man words to the effect of „Okay, but you should be nice about it, remember any girl you date is somebody’s daughter and sister. You shouldn’t treat them anyway you wouldn’t want your own mum or sister to be treated.“
Which, to me as a woman is clearly a pretty well meaning statement and actually pretty *good* advice. But in today’s time it might be seen as misognistic for being „belittling“ or implying woman are emotional enough to need to be let down gently. Or implying they „belong“ to other people, likely including men (a dad and a brother(s) would be half of the implication, along with a mum sister(s).) I don’t think that, but those things would be pointed out if someone said that in today’s time with the same intentions. And then, at some point, a sense that it is „impossible to be right“ would probably start to be felt, and cause some guys to stop trying.
Plus, once you post something to the internet, it is there forever. So once you get labelled an incel, it is probably going to stuck with you forever. In my granda’s case, if he said something unnecessarily bad about that girl, and that was what prompted that lecture, no one knows what it was now. And he got to grow out of it and prove he was not a misogynist. Which I can vouch that he is not. But if you say something online, especially Reddit where people can view post histories, anything you say can, and will be used against you, even if you no longer believe. So if someone is gonna be hated anyone „Why bother changing“ is a thought pretty likely to cross their mind.
AmeliaxRosex18 on
I believe the rise in misogyny and the red pill narrative is a direct result of the decades of extreme feminism. They are two sides of the same coin and feminism swung too far, now we are seeing the consequences. I’m very neutral in my views and see both sides. Social media is driving this wedge with algorithms so you only see the worst of both genders. It doesn’t help that people are more shut away and reclusive than ever before so their general experience of the opposite gender is mostly social media propaganda. All women are gold digging hoes and all men are violent rapists according to social media.
Bartellomio on
Why is it always so one sided? I’m not denying misogyny exists but the absolute silence when it comes to societal treatments of men is very glaring.
ziplock9000 on
And misandry is an epidemic fuelled by Hollywood, the TV industry and games industry.
LongAndShortOfIt888 on
Misogyny has nothing to do with social media it is entirely a reaction to a balanced market of relationships. Relationships used to be the best way for the average person to build wealth, one person focused on making money and the other focused on caring. That doesn’t work anymore because it’s an exploitative practice to prop up a failed economic system. Modern misogyny is the irrational reaction to that failed system, trying to bring it back from impossibility.
Scary-Teaching-8536 on
Ah yes, because misogyny famously didn’t exist before social media was invented lmao
Gen Alpha/Z is possibly the most feminist generation of boys that ever existed.
Confident_Contract53 on
> „Clifford had searched for Tate’s podcast the day before carrying out the attack.
> The court was told it was no coincidence that he had turned to such content before carrying out the violence. Amy says she believes there was an „undeniable link“.“
Seriously?
Even when Andrew’s content was mainstream on Tik Tok circa December 2022, I don’t remember him saying „rape and murder your partners family“ or even anything that misogynistic frankly.
To me this seems like the family clutching at straws for some kind of motivation for what is clearly a tragic case – it’s easy to have something to blame.
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This is just another reason why socialising online is distinctly inferior to socialising in real life.
Third spaces are disappearing, and being replaced by nothing tangible.
I don’t know why – I read about terrible events all the time – but this murder of two sisters and their mother really got to me today. And the fact that the father still talks to them to keep them close… The damage some men do in this world is beyond description. The wreckage they leave behind. I don’t have any answers, but I know the solution isn’t pretending it’s not a problem or not talking about it.
It’s more fuelled by decades of magazines, tv, film and music.
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I have yet to meet a person like this in real life.
Be a young man,
Earn less on average than women your age
Attend university less
Be imprisoned more
He homeless more
Have no special programs or quotas to help you specifically
Kill yourself more
Basically every negative thing that can happen to a person happens to you more and society as a whole will never care
„Misogyny is the biggest problem in our society women have it so much worse than men“-BBC
🥹🔫
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I think social media encourages all kinds of group hatred or bigotry. Because you can constantly be presented with the worst actors in any group, it’s easy to think „Gosh they must all be like that“. Particularly if you are always online, or have very few meaningful real life friendships, there is no counterbalance to the ways in which groups online are reduced to their worst components and condemned on that basis.
Combine that with the fact that social media weaponizes negative emotion for profits, and is adept at skewing your algorithm to get you mad at somebody, and you can see the disaster heading our way.
It is. Social media makes women hate men which causes gender wars, which makes men dislike women. Seriously, for every Andrew Tate type there’s 50 women versions who spout similar rhetoric. Your average women’s twitter feed is just man hate
The BBC today had a homophobic, transphobic propagandist on TV today, a woman enages regularly in misogyny but that’s okay
Classic whataboutism from men on r/unitedkingdom even after multiple murders explicitly linked to Andrew Tate
well its big business, miserable men make me money. Just look at the hours of youtube/tiktok dross about woke, immigrants and even stuff like EVs. You can make a lot of money selling people their misery if you dont mind selling your soul in the process (or never had one)
It is and it’s getting worse, it’s also not limited to the public but also in the medical sphere. It’s alarming the number of young men who just flat out hate women, they tend to also flat out hate immigrants, POC and LGBT+ people too.
Men in r/unitedkingdom trying not to whine about how „we’re *all* bad“, or „only a tiny minority“, or the best one, „all this sexism is just a moral panic in your imagination“ challenge: Impossible
I support her trying to tackle whatever specific pathways Clifford went through.
But I don’t believe the rise in misogyny is mostly due to boys not being taught to respect girls and women. It’s from society not being taught to respect male children’s normal needs, and then feminists bashing men and boys who’ve already had a lifetime of being invalidated, blamed and their real life problems (ie not their attitudes, but negatives things they go through, plus the lack of guidance they get) swept under the rug. Men don’t need to read Andrew Tate or similar to be more misogynistic, they just need to read the amount of generalising and negative assumptions about men in online feminist communities.
Yeh she’s right if it was a women’s issue it would be solved already, because women’s issues now get taken more seriously than men’s issues or men/boys with the same issues as women.
Yep. Social media is making people who probably wouldn’t have been misognistic (anymore than what was, unfortunately socially acceptable at the time) say, 30s years ago, become incels
My guess is that hearing about misogyny, (and misandry) all the time is causing people to search harder than they would have for alternative views, which are less socially acceptable, because they are sick of hearing about the ones being pushed, albeit for the right reasons. I don’t think the majority of people wake up every morning wanting to despise the other gender and put everyone opposite from them down. But it is one thing that can happen when people get fed up of one narrative being pushed too much.
When my grandad was a teen (about 1960) he went on a date with a girl he realised half way through he found to be too clingy and a bit „weird“. He mentioned to a friend of my great grandparents that he didn’t want to see her again. He must have talked about her in a not very PC way because he was told by a greatest generation man words to the effect of „Okay, but you should be nice about it, remember any girl you date is somebody’s daughter and sister. You shouldn’t treat them anyway you wouldn’t want your own mum or sister to be treated.“
Which, to me as a woman is clearly a pretty well meaning statement and actually pretty *good* advice. But in today’s time it might be seen as misognistic for being „belittling“ or implying woman are emotional enough to need to be let down gently. Or implying they „belong“ to other people, likely including men (a dad and a brother(s) would be half of the implication, along with a mum sister(s).) I don’t think that, but those things would be pointed out if someone said that in today’s time with the same intentions. And then, at some point, a sense that it is „impossible to be right“ would probably start to be felt, and cause some guys to stop trying.
Plus, once you post something to the internet, it is there forever. So once you get labelled an incel, it is probably going to stuck with you forever. In my granda’s case, if he said something unnecessarily bad about that girl, and that was what prompted that lecture, no one knows what it was now. And he got to grow out of it and prove he was not a misogynist. Which I can vouch that he is not. But if you say something online, especially Reddit where people can view post histories, anything you say can, and will be used against you, even if you no longer believe. So if someone is gonna be hated anyone „Why bother changing“ is a thought pretty likely to cross their mind.
I believe the rise in misogyny and the red pill narrative is a direct result of the decades of extreme feminism. They are two sides of the same coin and feminism swung too far, now we are seeing the consequences. I’m very neutral in my views and see both sides. Social media is driving this wedge with algorithms so you only see the worst of both genders. It doesn’t help that people are more shut away and reclusive than ever before so their general experience of the opposite gender is mostly social media propaganda. All women are gold digging hoes and all men are violent rapists according to social media.
Why is it always so one sided? I’m not denying misogyny exists but the absolute silence when it comes to societal treatments of men is very glaring.
And misandry is an epidemic fuelled by Hollywood, the TV industry and games industry.
Misogyny has nothing to do with social media it is entirely a reaction to a balanced market of relationships. Relationships used to be the best way for the average person to build wealth, one person focused on making money and the other focused on caring. That doesn’t work anymore because it’s an exploitative practice to prop up a failed economic system. Modern misogyny is the irrational reaction to that failed system, trying to bring it back from impossibility.
Ah yes, because misogyny famously didn’t exist before social media was invented lmao
Gen Alpha/Z is possibly the most feminist generation of boys that ever existed.
> „Clifford had searched for Tate’s podcast the day before carrying out the attack.
> The court was told it was no coincidence that he had turned to such content before carrying out the violence. Amy says she believes there was an „undeniable link“.“
Seriously?
Even when Andrew’s content was mainstream on Tik Tok circa December 2022, I don’t remember him saying „rape and murder your partners family“ or even anything that misogynistic frankly.
To me this seems like the family clutching at straws for some kind of motivation for what is clearly a tragic case – it’s easy to have something to blame.