„Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky, a Republican, pushed back on the Trump administration’s framing of the strikes on three Iranian nuclear facilities, saying it is „ludicrous“ to say they are not an act of war.
„The notion that this isn’t an act of war, I find ludicrous,“ Massie said during an appearance on CNN. „This is a hot war. There are two nations, Israel and Iran, trading volleys of missiles every night, every day, and we’re a co-belligerent now in this war.“
Massie also criticized President Donald Trump and House Speaker Mike Johnson for not recalling the House of Representatives from their recess to discuss and approve the action, instead leaning on a „narrow window“ to act as an excuse to bypass Congress.
„If there was an imminent threat, why not call us back from our recess,“ Massie said. „We were on recess last week, and I went to special effort to offer a war powers resolution while everybody was on vacation … if Speaker Johnson thought that America was in danger imminently, he should have brought us all back to Congress, yet he did not.“
Massie also revealed 50 co-sponsors on his bipartisan bill aimed at limiting Trump’s wartime powers, which makes him confident he can force a floor vote unless the speaker „pulls some shenanigans.“
„I think this was a bad move politically, but it’s also just a bad move legally and constitutionally and policy-wise,“ Massie said, adding that Trump „absolutely“ broke a campaign promise with this act.“
Ancient_Popcorn on
How long before Massie falls in line? I imagine there will be some small, secret meeting with Massie and then the song immediately changes.
longtermattention on
Trump is an idiot because he could have gotten Congress to declare war. There are enough Zionists freaks in there that he could gave gotten bipartisan sign off. He did Democrats a favor whether he realizes it or not
CockBrother on
Yes. It clearly is an act of war. But words like rebellion, insurrection, and invasion apparently mean whatever Trump wants them to, so why not war as well?
No_Succotash890 on
We didn’t blow up the mountains, the bombs did… Bibi meant to congratulate the bombs, not Duplicit Donny the Peacetaker
ImLikeReallySmart on
What would the US call it if another country bombed one of our nuclear facilities?
friendsafariguy11 on
And what are you going to do about it?
Sit back down and rubber stamp every destructive policy coming from this human filth.
RiseDelicious3556 on
Well, it’s not exactly the extension of an olive branch, that’s for sure. How in the hell would we interpret it, if the shoe was on the other foot??
Argented on
well did Iran buy Trump an airplane? that’s almost justification right there in magaland
APraxisPanda on
Careful, you’re gonna piss off your king if he hears you say that.
Troll_in_the_Knoll on
‚Ludicrous‘ To Say Iran Strikes Not Act of War, Republican Congressman Says.“
So if it’s not an ‚act of war‘, is it just a ‚police action‘ like the undeclared war in Vietnam?
Equivalent_Move8267 on
The biggest take away is that the strikes weren’t successful, and even if they were the Iranians read TACO like a bad movie script and removed the important features of the lab (uranium).
Commander Bone Spurs, I salute you /sic
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Comfortable_Horse277 on
Then impeach him and remove him now.
Cowards.
DiogenesArchon on
I don’t know what Ludacris has to do with this. I’m more interested in what Ja Rule thinks.
amanam0ngb0ts on
> Pictures taken on Thursday and Friday showed „unusual truck and vehicular activity“ close to the entrance of the underground Fordow complex
16 cargo trucks spotted prior to the bombing.
Now, according to NYT:
> The Israeli military, in an initial analysis, believes the heavily fortified nuclear site at Fordo has sustained serious damage from the American strike on Sunday, *but has not been completely destroyed*, according to two Israeli officials with knowledge of the matter. The officials also said it appeared *Iran had moved equipment, including uranium, from the site.*
So a quick recap:
1. In a campaign promise-breaking and appalling decision, Trump decided to bomb Iran
2. The *best case* scenario with that choice, is that the US 100% destroys the nuclear sites, AND Iran decides to look past being fucking bombed and just start negotiating again, with the nations actively bombing them.
3. We *already* have evidence that the site was probably at least partially cleared before the bombing, AND that the bombing did *not* 100% destroy the nuclear sites.
4. Additionally, Iran is now considering closing the straights that 1/5th of the world’s oil passes through.
(Hope yall remember when there was major supply chain issues during covid, that lead to scarcity/inflation, cause now we’ll have to deal with that)
What was risked? Full-on war, increased terrorism, potentially a world war.
For a bombing run that will turn out to prove really not all that successful.
Big brain stuff, and MAGA is over there pretending like “this is the only way to stop them from getting nukes.” No, we had that. Your Cheeto powder brained cult leader obliterated it in his first term and causes this current mess. So, to date, the only thing Trump has successfully obliterated with respect to Irans nuclear capacity is: the diplomacy that effectively prevented Iran from becoming a nuclear power. He also just incentivized them to pursue nukes even more because that would have prevented all this, for them.
gnarlytabby on
Unfortunately, a lot of Americans have been conditioned to think that acts like this don’t count as war. And if the other country responds, that counts as terrorism, then justifying future attacks from America that the American public considers as policing more than war.
CodWonderful2045 on
Maybe we should ask Iran what they think.
lesmainsdepigeon on
“*If there was an imminent threat…*”
… there wasn’t.
“*I think this was a bad move politically, but it’s also just a bad move legally and constitutionally…*”
… no mention of morality? Humanity? Dignity? Liberty? Sovereignty?
This is main character syndrome on a national scale.
jcmatthews66 on
When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, they didn’t declare war either.
outtherenow1 on
If China unilaterally flew military aircraft half way around the world and bombed three different nuclear sites inside the U.S. killing members of our military as well as scientists and researchers would the U.S. consider that an act of war?
Yes.
Machiavvelli3060 on
Do Republicans *really* need a new lecture about „poking the bear?“
CappinPeanut on
It’s war when Israel bombs Iran, but not when we do it, for some reason.
Tell you one thing, Iran certainly thinks they’re at war with the U.S.
_Pewterschmidt_ on
Real question: what emojis did Pete put in the chat?
lunex on
Why is Ludacris being consulted at all on this?
leroynicks on
Operation Midnight Hammer sounds like a gay porn title.
Due-Egg4743 on
It took me a moment to realize Ludacris isn’t making policy decisions for the Trump administration.
GregoryStJamesMundy on
TRUMP JUST STARTED WORLD WAR III
ONE STEP CLOSER TO WORLD WAR III, THANKS TO TRUMP (OVER ANOTHER LIE OF WMDs)
Why is it that Israel, who illegally have Nukes, is not being forced to give up their Nukes? If the U.S. can attack Iran over lies of Nukes, then China and Russia should bomb Israel, which we all know has Nukes. Remember when Kennedy tried to attack Cuba, and Russia came to their aid, ready to provide Nukes if the US did not step back. Will Russia or China have to do the same now to protect Iran?
Will the American people allow Trump to enter us into another Middle East war, causing many American deaths, and like Iraq and Afghanistan, accomplishing nothing but death and wounded soldiers?
If China or Russia do not get involved, then they will be handing not only Iran but the entire Middle East to the United States. Russia and China cannot sit on the sidelines. They have no choice but to enter the war, for they know if they allow the U.S. to take over the Middle East, their next move will be against them. When World War III starts, may the world remember that Donald Trump started it!
Gregory St. James Mundy (author of The Truth About 9/11)
Mozzy2022 on
Yeah, I heard Vance this morning saying something like “we didn’t attack Iran, we attacked their nuclear sites.” Okay, then
„Vance says U.S. ’not at war with Iran, we’re at war with Iran’s nuclear program'“
Honestly if your kid offered up something this stupid for doing something this stupid you would ground them for life or until you no longer have to support them whichever comes first, right?
waffle299 on
FFS, they can’t even maintain opsec and use a codename designed to disguise the operation. They have to use a cutesy ‚midnight hammer‘ name to make themselves feel tough. I suppose it’s fitting – nazis repeating the errors that led to their downfall.
Hey, numb nuts, the reason the nazi Wotan project failed is because the cutesy nickname was enough to allow R.V. Jones in British Intelligence to deduce the operational method of Wotan, devise a counter, foil the attacks, and occasionally kill the crews by leading them into defensive fire. That’s right, keep giving out these symbolic names and someone will guess the meaning and kill our troops.
It’s always murderous armature hour with these fucks.
Long-Rooster-9641 on
Y’all wanna enable him and his narcissism because you think it will benefit your ends until it’s too late to put the clown back in the clown car.
5minArgument on
Anytime, republicans. Anytime.
Grow a spine when you’re ready
nhavar on
If someone strikes one of our allies „pre-emptively“ then we’re all over the „self-defense“ narrative that allows our ally to bomb the aggressor back to the stone age. As a show of strength and unity. If however, that same ally is the one to strike „pre-emptively“ against another country then we’re like „sovereignty? What’s that? Sovereignty and self-defense are for our friends, not those other people.“
Then there are other places where it’s more like „yeah well, you’re on your own, maybe you should just give up and be part of Russia and give Putin what he wants“. Then treating the rest of our allies like they’re enemies. Really no consistency or executive function
Flipnotics_ on
If Iran bombed our nuclear facilities, that would be considered an act of war.
So yeah, this was an act of war from the USA
wasted-degrees on
Act of war ≠ declaration of war.
Saying that the lack of a declaration of war means it wasn’t an act of war is not just wrong, it’s stupid. And this raises the very real question of how many unilateral acts of war can happen before we find ourselves in a de facto war without war ever being declared.
a_rabid_buffalo on
Then fucking do something. Do your job and fucking impeach him.
m_nieto on
America elected a king who don’t need permission to do what he wants! s/
lostpassword100000 on
Keep in mind, people get rich during wartime. This entire administration is about grifting.
Sen Bozemen purchasing Raytheon stock 3 weeks ago was awfully prophetic.
Either Israel has blackmail on Trump (highly likely) or someone is getting rich (also highly likely) or both.
Our country is run by capitalists that just want to make money. This nation and it’s principles means nothing to them.
ChinookKing on
The double speak coming from these maga fascists is insane! Wtf America. Wake up.
It does beg the question, at what point does an airstrike/bombing mission constitute an act of war? Is it a matter of scale? The US has launched airstrikes on other nations without engaging in all-out war.
It’s just interesting to me that Pearl Harbor was enough to bring us into WWII, but roughly 1,000+ men died in that attack and most of the fleet docked there was destroyed.
Dyab1o on
Shakes fist at sky and yells*
“DAMN YOU JOE BIDEN!”
space_monster on
„It’s not a war, because there are no boots on the ground.“
„It’s not war, because we’re only sending specialist teams to defend state assets.“
„It’s not war, because we’re only hitting strategic targets.“
„It’s not war, because we’re only sending in a peacekeeping force.“
„It’s not war, because we’re not calling it that.“
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„Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky, a Republican, pushed back on the Trump administration’s framing of the strikes on three Iranian nuclear facilities, saying it is „ludicrous“ to say they are not an act of war.
„The notion that this isn’t an act of war, I find ludicrous,“ Massie said during an appearance on CNN. „This is a hot war. There are two nations, Israel and Iran, trading volleys of missiles every night, every day, and we’re a co-belligerent now in this war.“
[Massie has rapidly emerged as the biggest Republican critic](https://www.newsweek.com/thomas-massie-says-iran-attack-unconstitutional-trump-divides-maga-2088875) of Trump’s decision to bomb Iran, saying the issue could fracture the Republican party and hand the 2026 midterm elections to the Democrats, forcing a flip in either or both the House of Representatives and the Senate.
Massie also criticized President Donald Trump and House Speaker Mike Johnson for not recalling the House of Representatives from their recess to discuss and approve the action, instead leaning on a „narrow window“ to act as an excuse to bypass Congress.
„If there was an imminent threat, why not call us back from our recess,“ Massie said. „We were on recess last week, and I went to special effort to offer a war powers resolution while everybody was on vacation … if Speaker Johnson thought that America was in danger imminently, he should have brought us all back to Congress, yet he did not.“
Massie also revealed 50 co-sponsors on his bipartisan bill aimed at limiting Trump’s wartime powers, which makes him confident he can force a floor vote unless the speaker „pulls some shenanigans.“
„I think this was a bad move politically, but it’s also just a bad move legally and constitutionally and policy-wise,“ Massie said, adding that Trump „absolutely“ broke a campaign promise with this act.“
How long before Massie falls in line? I imagine there will be some small, secret meeting with Massie and then the song immediately changes.
Trump is an idiot because he could have gotten Congress to declare war. There are enough Zionists freaks in there that he could gave gotten bipartisan sign off. He did Democrats a favor whether he realizes it or not
Yes. It clearly is an act of war. But words like rebellion, insurrection, and invasion apparently mean whatever Trump wants them to, so why not war as well?
We didn’t blow up the mountains, the bombs did… Bibi meant to congratulate the bombs, not Duplicit Donny the Peacetaker
What would the US call it if another country bombed one of our nuclear facilities?
And what are you going to do about it?
Sit back down and rubber stamp every destructive policy coming from this human filth.
Well, it’s not exactly the extension of an olive branch, that’s for sure. How in the hell would we interpret it, if the shoe was on the other foot??
well did Iran buy Trump an airplane? that’s almost justification right there in magaland
Careful, you’re gonna piss off your king if he hears you say that.
‚Ludicrous‘ To Say Iran Strikes Not Act of War, Republican Congressman Says.“
So if it’s not an ‚act of war‘, is it just a ‚police action‘ like the undeclared war in Vietnam?
The biggest take away is that the strikes weren’t successful, and even if they were the Iranians read TACO like a bad movie script and removed the important features of the lab (uranium).
Commander Bone Spurs, I salute you /sic
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Then impeach him and remove him now.
Cowards.
I don’t know what Ludacris has to do with this. I’m more interested in what Ja Rule thinks.
> Pictures taken on Thursday and Friday showed „unusual truck and vehicular activity“ close to the entrance of the underground Fordow complex
16 cargo trucks spotted prior to the bombing.
Now, according to NYT:
> The Israeli military, in an initial analysis, believes the heavily fortified nuclear site at Fordo has sustained serious damage from the American strike on Sunday, *but has not been completely destroyed*, according to two Israeli officials with knowledge of the matter. The officials also said it appeared *Iran had moved equipment, including uranium, from the site.*
So a quick recap:
1. In a campaign promise-breaking and appalling decision, Trump decided to bomb Iran
2. The *best case* scenario with that choice, is that the US 100% destroys the nuclear sites, AND Iran decides to look past being fucking bombed and just start negotiating again, with the nations actively bombing them.
3. We *already* have evidence that the site was probably at least partially cleared before the bombing, AND that the bombing did *not* 100% destroy the nuclear sites.
4. Additionally, Iran is now considering closing the straights that 1/5th of the world’s oil passes through.
(Hope yall remember when there was major supply chain issues during covid, that lead to scarcity/inflation, cause now we’ll have to deal with that)
What was risked? Full-on war, increased terrorism, potentially a world war.
For a bombing run that will turn out to prove really not all that successful.
Big brain stuff, and MAGA is over there pretending like “this is the only way to stop them from getting nukes.” No, we had that. Your Cheeto powder brained cult leader obliterated it in his first term and causes this current mess. So, to date, the only thing Trump has successfully obliterated with respect to Irans nuclear capacity is: the diplomacy that effectively prevented Iran from becoming a nuclear power. He also just incentivized them to pursue nukes even more because that would have prevented all this, for them.
Unfortunately, a lot of Americans have been conditioned to think that acts like this don’t count as war. And if the other country responds, that counts as terrorism, then justifying future attacks from America that the American public considers as policing more than war.
Maybe we should ask Iran what they think.
“*If there was an imminent threat…*”
… there wasn’t.
“*I think this was a bad move politically, but it’s also just a bad move legally and constitutionally…*”
… no mention of morality? Humanity? Dignity? Liberty? Sovereignty?
This is main character syndrome on a national scale.
When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, they didn’t declare war either.
If China unilaterally flew military aircraft half way around the world and bombed three different nuclear sites inside the U.S. killing members of our military as well as scientists and researchers would the U.S. consider that an act of war?
Yes.
Do Republicans *really* need a new lecture about „poking the bear?“
It’s war when Israel bombs Iran, but not when we do it, for some reason.
Tell you one thing, Iran certainly thinks they’re at war with the U.S.
Real question: what emojis did Pete put in the chat?
Why is Ludacris being consulted at all on this?
Operation Midnight Hammer sounds like a gay porn title.
It took me a moment to realize Ludacris isn’t making policy decisions for the Trump administration.
TRUMP JUST STARTED WORLD WAR III
ONE STEP CLOSER TO WORLD WAR III, THANKS TO TRUMP (OVER ANOTHER LIE OF WMDs)
Why is it that Israel, who illegally have Nukes, is not being forced to give up their Nukes? If the U.S. can attack Iran over lies of Nukes, then China and Russia should bomb Israel, which we all know has Nukes. Remember when Kennedy tried to attack Cuba, and Russia came to their aid, ready to provide Nukes if the US did not step back. Will Russia or China have to do the same now to protect Iran?
Will the American people allow Trump to enter us into another Middle East war, causing many American deaths, and like Iraq and Afghanistan, accomplishing nothing but death and wounded soldiers?
If China or Russia do not get involved, then they will be handing not only Iran but the entire Middle East to the United States. Russia and China cannot sit on the sidelines. They have no choice but to enter the war, for they know if they allow the U.S. to take over the Middle East, their next move will be against them. When World War III starts, may the world remember that Donald Trump started it!
Gregory St. James Mundy (author of The Truth About 9/11)
Yeah, I heard Vance this morning saying something like “we didn’t attack Iran, we attacked their nuclear sites.” Okay, then
[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/vance-says-us-not-war-iran-re-war-irans-nuclear-program-rcna214329](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/vance-says-us-not-war-iran-re-war-irans-nuclear-program-rcna214329)
„Vance says U.S. ’not at war with Iran, we’re at war with Iran’s nuclear program'“
Honestly if your kid offered up something this stupid for doing something this stupid you would ground them for life or until you no longer have to support them whichever comes first, right?
FFS, they can’t even maintain opsec and use a codename designed to disguise the operation. They have to use a cutesy ‚midnight hammer‘ name to make themselves feel tough. I suppose it’s fitting – nazis repeating the errors that led to their downfall.
Hey, numb nuts, the reason the nazi Wotan project failed is because the cutesy nickname was enough to allow R.V. Jones in British Intelligence to deduce the operational method of Wotan, devise a counter, foil the attacks, and occasionally kill the crews by leading them into defensive fire. That’s right, keep giving out these symbolic names and someone will guess the meaning and kill our troops.
It’s always murderous armature hour with these fucks.
Y’all wanna enable him and his narcissism because you think it will benefit your ends until it’s too late to put the clown back in the clown car.
Anytime, republicans. Anytime.
Grow a spine when you’re ready
If someone strikes one of our allies „pre-emptively“ then we’re all over the „self-defense“ narrative that allows our ally to bomb the aggressor back to the stone age. As a show of strength and unity. If however, that same ally is the one to strike „pre-emptively“ against another country then we’re like „sovereignty? What’s that? Sovereignty and self-defense are for our friends, not those other people.“
Then there are other places where it’s more like „yeah well, you’re on your own, maybe you should just give up and be part of Russia and give Putin what he wants“. Then treating the rest of our allies like they’re enemies. Really no consistency or executive function
If Iran bombed our nuclear facilities, that would be considered an act of war.
So yeah, this was an act of war from the USA
Act of war ≠ declaration of war.
Saying that the lack of a declaration of war means it wasn’t an act of war is not just wrong, it’s stupid. And this raises the very real question of how many unilateral acts of war can happen before we find ourselves in a de facto war without war ever being declared.
Then fucking do something. Do your job and fucking impeach him.
America elected a king who don’t need permission to do what he wants! s/
Keep in mind, people get rich during wartime. This entire administration is about grifting.
Sen Bozemen purchasing Raytheon stock 3 weeks ago was awfully prophetic.
Either Israel has blackmail on Trump (highly likely) or someone is getting rich (also highly likely) or both.
Our country is run by capitalists that just want to make money. This nation and it’s principles means nothing to them.
The double speak coming from these maga fascists is insane! Wtf America. Wake up.
MAGA logic: bombing is not an act of war.
[He **will** be primaried next year.](https://media.tenor.com/hy2PoK5Vl1UAAAAe/i-guarantee-it.png)
It does beg the question, at what point does an airstrike/bombing mission constitute an act of war? Is it a matter of scale? The US has launched airstrikes on other nations without engaging in all-out war.
It’s just interesting to me that Pearl Harbor was enough to bring us into WWII, but roughly 1,000+ men died in that attack and most of the fleet docked there was destroyed.
Shakes fist at sky and yells*
“DAMN YOU JOE BIDEN!”
„It’s not a war, because there are no boots on the ground.“
„It’s not war, because we’re only sending specialist teams to defend state assets.“
„It’s not war, because we’re only hitting strategic targets.“
„It’s not war, because we’re only sending in a peacekeeping force.“
„It’s not war, because we’re not calling it that.“